Are Scalabrine and T. Allen safe?

[campybatman]

I mean with R. Wallace accepting to sign with Boston and Davis returning or leaving. Will they still have a role as part of the rotation next season?

More and more I'm beginning to believe that both Scalabrine and Tony might want to get a head's start on packing. Because they're the ones in particular who stand to see their potential minutes declining as of a result of the Wallace signing, and if G. Hill signs too. Wallace can play both power forward and center while Hill can play both small forward and shooting guard. Aren't those the same positions that the aforementioned Celtic players played when healthy?

[Colossus]

They should have started packing as soon as the season was over. Especially Tony Allen.

[Avalanche]

with Davis likely leaving, Scal wont be going anywhere until we address another fron court position, we cant rely on just 3 guys

however, i would love to see the options explored as far as trading them with Pruitt/Giddens to a team trying to cut costs

[GregB]

I think Scal could potentially be the 4th big off the bench if we dont resign Baby.

Tony Allen not so much. Especially if its true about signing grant hill.

[bc legends]

Hopefully we can package them along with Pruitt or Giddens for something good or to cut costs..
Scal is literally a overpaid(3mil) cheerleader.

[Colossus]

What about Beno Udrih? Trading Veal/TA/Pruitt for him works in the trade checker.. and the Kings just drafted Tyreke Evans and are in full rebuilding mode. Solid PG there, he does make the midlevel for 4 more years though.. but real solid PG, would not have to worry about backup PG spot for a long time, and a great safety valve if Rondo goes down.

[yodi184]

Tony is up for one more year... with Powe and Baby possibly leaving, we should need Tony and Scal still even if we get to sign Hill after having signed Sheed...

I think Tony still has time to return to form. I guess he needs to work on his shooting as well during off-season, there really hasn't been much improvement the past few seasons since he was out (i mean he should have worked on them anyway during injury)

[Jammer]

Have you been paying attention to ALL the Celtic news??

Besides Rasheed Wallace, Doc and Danny want a full sized center.

Robert Swift, summer league team, is probably it.

They want a 6' 8" wing. Grant Hill is the guy, and he's also a mobile power forward, although
Phoenix often used Grant as an SG when Jason Richardson was off the floor.

They want to re-sign Glen Davis.

They want to keep Lester Hudson.

Steph Marbury has turned down a vet minimum contract.
That offer, most likely had an expiration date associated with it.

If you start counting, you get 16 players.

If they fullfill their plan, it's obvious at least one player, and
due to the versatility of their targets, probably two, are on the way out.

You also probably heard that Danny was close to
trading Tony, Scal & Pruitt to Memphis for the 2009 #36 pick + Cash.

So, go figure.

Since only 12 players can be active, I don't see them carrying
dead wood like they have in past years, with the lux tax threshold going down
and the players that they're adding. To get Grant Hill, and do him justice,
they have to do a sign and trade since Phoenix offered him the full MLE.
Doc also doesn't want to run the guys into the ground during the regular season.

Active 12

C: Perk 24 mpg /Rasheed Wallace 20 mpg /Robert Swift 4 mpg
PF: KG 28 mpg / Rasheed 4 mpg / Glen Davis 16 mpg
SF: Paul PIerce 30 mpg / Grant Hill 18 mpg
SG: Ray Allen 34 mpg / J. R. Giddens 14 mpg
PG: Rajon Rondo 31 mpg / Eddie House 15 mpg / Lester Hudson 2 mpg

There are 4 remaining players after the Active 12.

Scal, Tony Allen, Pruitt and Billy Walker. I suspect that 2 of those 4 will be salary dumped
for picks to a team with a Trade Exception or Cap Room, but
the best thing that could happen is a Sign & Trade that let's the
Celtics pay Grant Hill $4 million or more per year.

Say the Celtics got Two Second Round Picks for the 2 players that they trade.
They send those to Phoenix as compensation in the Sign & Trade
(a 3 way deal). I'm sure the Celtics preference would be Scal & Tony,
but more realistic is Tony and Pruitt.

[campybatman]

Yeah, I see Scalabrine here unless another power forward like Wilcox or whoever is signed (possibly) later this summer. Having Scalabrine doesn't necessary hurt your team, but I would feel a lot better if there were another veteran power forward who's young in addition to having him, Garnett and R. Wallace.

Conversely, I believe Tony's the odd man or rather the odd guard out of the rotation next season regardless. And I say this even if House hadn't exercised his player's option. It's unfortunate, you would hope that he could still play some to at least improve upon his trade value leading up to the trading deadline next season.

[yodi184]

good analysis jammer, one thing we weren't able to point out is that Scals and Tony's contracts are good trade fillers (expiring contracts)

[ParticleMan]

They're safe because nobody is going to take our trash and give us back anything decent in return.

But they might end up as nice cap filler pieces at the trade deadline.

[Hemingway]

Scal had and infact still has value for us. It is Tony who we should trade for a late second.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm wondering more, are Rondo and Ray safe? This has been such a weird NBA summer so far, I wouldn't be surprised if we had a new backcourt by October.

[campybatman]

Rondo and Ray are safe... Because it was noted that Ainge and company probably sold R. Wallace in part on the notion that the team wouldn't stop improving once he's signed. How would that look to Wallace if you then turn around and trade your starting back court tandem together or in separate trades before the season even started? I mean Ray was a part of the group representing the franchise that went to visit and meet with him. It would be like a high profiled college head coach recruiting a star high school player and that player commits with the understanding that he'll be playing for that head coach. Then the head coach unexpectedly leaves for a better opportunity thereafter.

[celticsfanforlife]

Hopefully they're both gone...we can do a lot better than both...at worst, Billy Walker can do exactly what TA did...package them both or waive them or do something...doesn't matter to me as long as theyre both gone..

[GreenDreamer]

Have you been paying attention to ALL the Celtic news.

Besides Rasheed, they want a full sized center. Robert Swift, summer league team, is probably it.

They want a 6' 8" wing. Grant Hill, who's also a mobile power forward, although
Phoenix often used Grant as an SG when Jason Richardson was off the floor.

They want to re-sign Glen Davis.

They want to keep Lester Hudson.

If you start counting, you get 16 players.
Steph Marbury has turned down a vet minimum contract.
That offer, most likely had an expiration date associated with it.

If they fullfill their plan, it's obvious at least one player, and
due to the versatility of their targets, probably two, are on the way out.

You also probably heard that Danny was close to
trading Tony, Scal & Pruitt to Memphis for the 2009 #36 pick + Cash.

So, go figure.

Since only 12 players can be active, I don't see them carrying
dead wood like they have in past years, with the lux tax threshold going down
and the players that they're adding. To get Grant Hill, and do him justice,
they have to do a sign and trade since Phoenix offered him the full MLE.
Doc also doesn't want to run the guys into the ground during the regular season.

Active 12

C: Perk 24 mpg /Rasheed Wallace 20 mpg /Robert Swift 4 mpg
PF: KG 28 mpg / Rasheed 4 mpg / Glen Davis 16 mpg
SF: Paul PIerce 30 mpg / Grant Hill 18 mpg
SG: Ray Allen 34 mpg / J. R. Giddens 14 mpg
PG: Rajon Rondo 31 mpg / Eddie House 15 mpg / Lester Hudson 2 mpg

There are 4 remaining players after the Active 12.

Scal, Tony Allen, Pruitt and Billy Walker. I suspect that 2 of those 4 will be salary dumped
for picks to a team with a Trade Exception or Cap Room, but
the best thing that could happen is a Sign & Trade that let's the
Celtics pay Grant Hill $4 million or more per year.

Say the Celtics got Two Second Round Picks for the 2 players that they trade.
They send those to Phoenix as compensation in the Sign & Trade
(a 3 way deal). I'm sure the Celtics preference would be Scal & Tony,
but more realistic is Tony and Pruitt.

You don't win with a rotation like that. 8 or 9 man, prefereably 8. You can play more in the reglar season, but when you get to the postseason you had better have it down to 9. I'm through with this "second unit" garbage. We have to run out a better qulity of player out there in the postseason than we did this past one. We also need quality in at the first 3 bench slots so that when Paul, Ray and KG need to take a game or two off, just to make sure that a nagging injury doesn't become an issue, we can start thhe bench players.

Do a deal for a guard like Charlie Bell, or someone comparable. A quality guard who can handle the ball and not make an ass out himself. Ideally we would send Scalabrine out in such a deal, and then just resign him for low money afterwards, knowing that he would valuable as a 10th man off of the bench.

[return2glory]

Scal can help this team. I would like him to stay as a 12-15 man of the roster. It seems that the coaches dont trust TA's game any more as he hardly played in the playoffs.

I see some people trying to give JR Giddens away. Giddens can play, but hasn't been given a chance yet. He is a 6'5 player with long arms. He is probably the most atlethic player on our roster, it's close with Walker in that area. Giddens is also a very good rebounder and his jump shot and defense are improving. He has talent.

[GuyClinch]

Yeah with R. Wallace on board I think Ray and Rondo are safe for now. Alot of squawking about contract extensions via agents could force Danny's hand though.

As far as TA and Scal being safe? If you when you say "safe" you mean 'being actively shopped' then I suppose they are 'safe'. <g>

[kmgarnett21]

I can't believe people are still defending Tony Allen. He's had 2 good games as a Celtic in the past 2 seasons and other than that, he's basically been pretty horrible. He's extremely overrated by some. When he has the ball in his hands, I cringe and then wait for either a turnover or a forced shot.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Neither one are safe...both are borderline scrubs at best, although Scal actually helps out when he's on the floor, unlike the walking mistake that is TA...