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Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:27 pm
by GreenDreamer
Somebody on Celticsblog brought up the idea of trying to get CJ Watson, and that got me thinking about Golden State's overall situation. With the drafting of Curry, the Warriors glut in teh backcourt got even bigger. They have A LOT of good, young, athletic shooters on that squad, and not enough playing time to go around. The guys that I like

Bellinelli - Euro-pest who can shoot the rock, has good athleticism, can handle and pass the ball, and is 6'5". Donnie is always jerking him around, but that is mostly the result of their depth at the 1 through 3 spots

Morrow - 6'5" sniper who doesn't turn the ball over and is a decent athlete.

CJ Watson - Sure handed with the ball, has good size at the point (6'2"), and can shoot

Azubuike - Good defender who can shoot lights out, has athleticism and size (6'5", 220), and doesn't turn the ball over.

I'm wondering if Danny can raid them and grab one or two of these guys. Would they be interested in BBD? Are they looking just to get rid of one or two to clear playing time for Curry? We have expiring deals, would they want them? What do you guys think, as I'd be happy to see any of these guys here, and any combination of them. They'd give our bench a hell of a lift.

Re: Should teh Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:30 pm
by Avalanche
I always thought they were a decent target for trades, however the problem as always is that we dont really have much in the way of trade chips

If they were looking to cut costs id love to get SJax here, but thats not likely.

Im not big on bellinelli at all, morrow, watson and azubuike would all get some run though, but again.. theres not a whole lot we can offer, they have a overload of wing guys and the young ones we are willing to give up are all on the wings

Re: Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:47 pm
by campybatman
If Golden State were interested in either Walker or Giddens, I'll ask for Watson. I want Watson. He'll be better than any backup guard Boston has or could sign.

I hope that Ainge won't sit on his hands and not call some of these teams and gauge their interest in Boston's young reserves.

Pruitt
Walker
Giddens
Hudson

Re: Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Tue Jul 7, 2009 11:53 pm
by Bad-Thoma
Azubuike is an excellent scorer off the bench, he was a reliable 15ish ppg guy last season. If we were after any of them he'd be the guy I'd want, but I think he has enough value that GS wouldn't be interested in the conglomeration of projects and Scal we'd be able to offer.

Re: Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:06 am
by bc legends
I'd say Azubuike but I really doubt GS would be interested in what we have to offer..

Re: Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:07 am
by Gomes3PC
Having watched the GS guards extensively out here in the Bay Area, there is not one of them that could defend on a level that would not make Thibodeau pull all of his hair out. Yes, they'd certainly help our scoring punch on the bench, but a lot of them are a product of a system that increases the number of possessions in a game and hides the flaws of players who aren't as athletically gifted as is necessary to play championship-level defense (see a guy like Matt Barnes).

Re: Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:14 am
by GreenDreamer
Gomes3PC wrote:Having watched the GS guards extensively out here in the Bay Area, there is not one of them that could defend on a level that would not make Thibodeau pull all of his hair out. Yes, they'd certainly help our scoring punch on the bench, but a lot of them are a product of a system that increases the number of possessions in a game and hides the flaws of players who aren't as athletically gifted as is necessary to play championship-level defense (see a guy like Matt Barnes).

You are saying that Eddie House and Tyron Lue are? See my point?

Re: Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:26 am
by campybatman
I agree, the Warriors system, or rather Nelson's coaching style, is seemingly freelance on offense. But I've to believe that Thibodeau could get players such as Barnes or Watson to give consistent efforts on defense. He worked wonders for both Ray and Marbury, two players not known to be adept at playing defense. They weren't great but gave an effort at it. So they weren't adverse to trying... If you come to the Celtics, under this coaching staff, you've to be prepared to play some defense, individually and team wise.

Re: Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Wed Jul 8, 2009 12:38 am
by GreenDreamer
bonsaiflipflops wrote:I agree, the Warriors system, or rather Nelson's coaching style, is seemingly freelance on offense. But I've to believe that Thibodeau could get players such as Barnes or Watson to give consistent efforts on defense. He worked wonders for both Ray and Marbury, two players not known to be adept at playing defense. They weren't great but gave an effort at it. So they weren't adverse to trying... If you come to the Celtics, under this coaching staff, you've to be prepared to play some defense, individually and team wise.


It isn't just the coaches, either. The players expect you to give it your all out there. The best part is that once guys get in that defensive mind frame, most of them actually like it.

I also think that length and athleticism go a long way in making a good defender. It is really nice to have the right footwork, or be fundamentally sound. Veal is a great example of that. That only gets you so far. It is a lot harder to shoot over a 6'6" guy with a hand in your face, doing teh right thing, than it is a 6'0" guy. So, all things being even, give me that taller, longer guy. Also give me that guy who can hit the three. Rondo, to me, is a special case as he plays far bigger than he is because of his long arms, athleticism, smarts and general nastiness.

Re: Should the Celtics target the Warriors guards?

Posted: Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:15 am
by Papa Irish31
i love azibuki, if he was 2 inches taller he would be a perfect fit for this team, but if he could guard small forwards i would be all for bringing him in; right now though i would make sure we get another guy who can guard lebron james, because at the moment we only have one, paul pierce; that would be a problem going into a playoff series