Celts Front Office Slow on Sign & Trade

[Jammer]

Ok, Kiddies, let's see.

We always hear what great talent evaluators Danny and Leo Papile are.

Wyc seems adept at spending the money that his Daddy earned.

Now, when the opportunity comes to land a player like Grant Hill,
who has already been offered the full MLE by Phoenix
(payback for the past 2 years of low budget service),
and possibly New York, as well;

well, kiddies, who is your deal maker???

This is front office management 101. The Head Guy who calls the shots
has to be the best deal maker.

You have more than enough ammo to pull this off in a day.

So, what's taking so long.

Phoenix owes Hill an S&T for 2 years of service on the cheap.

If this one falls thru, it's your own fault.

[spf211]

So you want us to do what?

I don't see how anyone benefits from getting Grant Hill on the same money we just gave Rasheed Wallace.

[greenbeans]

Yeah, because Phoenix is salivating at the chance to get Scal, TA or any of our other scrubs in orange for a year. They don't owe him anything.

[Avalanche]

no way u pay the MLE for hill... Barnes, Daniels etc may not be quite the same player but will cost you less then half of that, Sheed is well worth the MLE, Hill at this stage is not

offer him our 2 mil exception, if he signs somewhere else for 5 mil then so be it

[floyd]

He's been offered the full MLE is opinion or fact? The wire tap states New York offered him a portion of the MLE which would suggest less than the full MLE. Hence the word "portion."

[Dave_From_NB]

He's been offered the full MLE is opinion or fact? The wire tap states New York offered him a portion of the MLE which would suggest less than the full MLE. Hence the word "portion."

Right. And there was another RealGM indicating that the Suns weren't going to get into a bidding war with NYK for Hill.

I agree with others, full MLE money is too much for Hill.

[Gomes3PC]

Seriously, how many minutes is Grant Hill realistically going to play for this team? 20 or so? Tack on the risk of injury and there's no way that he is worth the MLE to us. He is a gifted offensive player and has an excellent feel for the game, but his defense has deteriorated because of age and injuries, and he'd be the 7th man on this team. The 7th guy on this team should not be making $5.5MM or more a year.

If the Knicks want to sign him for the MLE, more power to them. A guy like Marquis Daniels could do the trick to replace what we'd hope to get for Hill, albeit with far less of an ESPN headliner splash that would create all kinds of ballwashing articles by Marc Stein to make sure we feel all warm and fuzzy next time we read the Daily Dime.

[Frank Lucas]

Hill is no longer an option for the Cs

[TA42]

Hill is no longer an option for the Cs

Why is that? If he's interested in playing for a championship he might still come. Again, he's made a lot of money in his career and at his age I doubt it'll come down to the highest bidder.

This will be what's best for him at this stage in his career.

[GreenDreamer]

Hill is only valuable to us if he wants to play here for low money. To play for a Title. The guy is evidently showing that he wants a pay day (must not have spent his other millions that well I guess). Well, good for him. If that is what he wants, who am I to bash him. It is his life, and if he doesn't care about getting a ring that is his business. This team, and the players on it, though, are all about winning.

It isn't as if we need him, though. That slot can be filled in other ways, by younger players who don't have his injury history. Danny just needs to get to work on that. Quite frankly, I wasn't too enthralled with having Hill anyways. I want guys who can shoot the three and play the 4 in a small lineup in his slot. Barnes could do that for less money. Hell, I wonder if Danny could get a third team involved in a Marion sign and trade deal.

The bottom line is that old, fading stars are only worth so much. On the cheap? Great. MLE? No. Sheed still has it and makes us a MUCH better team. He didn't take us for a ride with his deal, he just wanted to win. He is getting paid less than he is actually worth. Grant isn't worth the MLE, so why should we look to pay him that kind of money?

[greenbeans]

Hill is no longer an option for the Cs

And we should believe you, because you were so on point with the Sheed situation

[bc legends]

Hill is no longer an option for the Cs

Why is that? If he's interested in playing for a championship he might still come. Again, he's made a lot of money in his career and at his age I doubt it'll come down to the highest bidder.

This will be what's best for him at this stage in his career.

As true as that should be, you have to remember that the NBA is a business first game second type of mentality for many. However so, we've already seen players take cuts to join contenders(i.e. artest). Hopefully Grant realizes there's a higher sense of greatness contending for a title.. something he hasn't been able to do for a while due to the sub-par teams he's played for.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Hill is no longer an option for the Cs

His kids and wife want Orlando like Sheed?

[bc legends]

Hill is no longer an option for the Cs

His kids and wife want Orlando like Sheed?

Gotta be that damn disneyworld

[Jammer]

Between Scalabrine, Tony Allen, Pruitt, Walker & Giddens;
the Celtics can do any # of trades to get Hill more than the LLE.
Not necessarily the full MLE, but say, $4 million for someone who WILL PLAY 3 positions this year.

Scal * Tony allow $7.39 million
Scal by himself allows $4.35 million
Tony + (Walker or Pruitt) allows $4.2 million
Tony Allen by himself would allow $3.225 million
Giddens + (Walker or Pruitt) allows $2.5 million.
Pruitt + Walker allows $2 million, plus saves $1.5 million in salary PLUS $1.5 million in luxury tax
LLE is like $1.9 million

Assuming they sign a full sized center just to have one (like Swift);
and sign Lester Hudson, with Grant Hill, Baby and Sheed they'd have 16 players.

As a lux tax payer, there is no reason for more than 13 players.

The Celtics should definately dump 2 of (Scal, Tony, Walker, Pruitt, Giddens).

Memphis has 12 players on their roster
(if Memphis signs all 3 draft picks and keeps RFA Hakim Warrick),
but only 2 guards (Mike Conley, Jr. and OJ Mayo), plus Marco Jaric.

That is a trade waiting to happen. And they have cap room, they don't need to send
anyone back.

Toronto can use a SG and, if they don't resign Marion, another SF. They are also under the cap,
even after signing Hedo Turkoglu.

Minnesota needs an SG that can defend and shoot.
I'd try to pry Corey Brewer off their hands. He'd be a worthwhile investment.

Atlanta could use a 3rd string PG. They will be under the cap.

[floyd]

Why exactly would Phoenix be interested in a sign and trade for our second rounders and/or Scal when they're over the tax?

I'm all for trading with teams under the cap if they're wiling to dance. A player could be nice, but also a trade exception might come in very handy at the deadline.

[sully00]

The way this usually works is that the player agrees to come to a team and then they try and see if a S&T can be worked out. At the moment it appears Hill would rather stay in PHX than come to BOS.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Ok, Kiddies, let's see.

We always hear what great talent evaluators Danny and Leo Papile are.

Wyc seems adept at spending the money that his Daddy earned.

Now, when the opportunity comes to land a player like Grant Hill,
who has already been offered the full MLE by Phoenix
(payback for the past 2 years of low budget service),
and possibly New York, as well;

well, kiddies, who is your deal maker???

This is front office management 101. The Head Guy who calls the shots
has to be the best deal maker.

You have more than enough ammo to pull this off in a day.

So, what's taking so long.

Phoenix owes Hill an S&T for 2 years of service on the cheap.

If this one falls thru, it's your own fault.

Kinda like how they botched not having Boston be Sheed's last destination to visit. You called that one and are on the money about teams desiring the services of Scals and TA.

Seriously, why the hel does Phoenix want to add payroll, when they're trying to cut the budget and Scals and TA are crap to boot.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Why exactly would Phoenix be interested in a sign and trade for our second rounders and/or Scal when they're over the tax?

I'm all for trading with teams under the cap if they're wiling to dance. A player could be nice, but also a trade exception might come in very handy at the deadline.

Their owners a Boston Celtic fan? I dunno. Phoenix is a team looking to gut payroll. A sign-n-trade with TA or Scals or both is laughable.

[ParticleMan]

The OP doesn't seem to understand that a sign and trade involves the other team wanting something in return. PHX doesn't want TA or Scal. They're trying to cut payroll and rebuild. They don't want to take on our crap just so that Grant Hill has the privilege of making some more dough.