Could Boston acquire Stackhouse via trade, then waive him?

campybatman · Post #1 » by **campybatman** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 9:59 am

Is it possible for Boston to be the third team necessary for Toronto and Dallas to facilitate this proposed trade? I reckon not since the Raptors don't desire to take on new salary nor would Dallas have the cap space according to this article. Anyways, what I was going to propose is to trade Tony (somehow convince either team to take him) and acquire Stackhouse. Then waive Stackhouse and leave it at that, or sign him to a lesser salary and reunite him with R. Wallace. I'm thinking that by removing Tony's $2.5M salary, you use that to cover the $2M buyout price on Stackhouse's contract.

Any feasible trade scenario that can work for all three teams?

The one unknown variable is how much is Toronto going to pay Marion in the sign-and-trade? The full MLE? And why would Dallas need to "sweeten the pot?" I assume this will mean a future draft pick and cash consideration. Because why would Toronto want players back? They don't desire to take on new salaries, I thought.

In desperate need for help on the wing, the Mavericks are pursuing Toronto free agent Shawn Marion in a possible sign-and-trade. Dallas doesn't have any cap space and has locked up its mid-level exception in an offer to restricted free agent Marcin Gortat, but does have valuable chips to dangle.

The most valuable is Jerry Stackhouse, who has a $7 million contract for cap purposes for next season but only a $2 million buyout. Any team that trades for Stackhouse can waive the veteran swingman by Aug. 10 and save $5 million.

A sign-and-trade for Marion would likely require at least a third team to make the salaries work. The Mavs would also be expected to sweeten the pot, possibly with other players, cash, draft picks or a combination of the three.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/0 ... index.html

cfan79 · Post #2 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 10:05 am

We could give them Scala and Tony, but whose left on the free agent market that makes it worth doing a deal like this? Unless we can convince Iverson to come off the bench, but I doubt that's possible.

cfan79 · Post #3 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 10:09 am

We could up the offers on Grant Hill and Marbury. Plus possibly get a 3 string big guy like Joe Smith.

Hemingway · Post #4 » by **Hemingway** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:14 pm

DOn't you guy think that, I dont know, Toronto might want to save the 5 mil?

Post #5 » by **sully00** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:32 pm

The issue is that TOR can't take back any salary for Marion. I think they are just trying to do right by the guy before they renounce his bird rights. But they can't even take back the 2 mil on Stack's contract or it impacts the money they can give Hedo.

They need a team under the cap to take on Stack and eat the 2mil, they will likely get paid to do it and even compensated some. That would create the trade exception TOR needs to do the deal.

Marion could get a deal starting at about 9 mil.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #6 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:49 pm

I believe Marion wants a long-term deal.. Anything over 2 years and the C's are out of the running.

Post #7 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:54 pm

What exactly do we gain out of this scenario, other than to lose Tony Allen for nothing?

GregB · Post #8 » by **GregB** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:37 pm

does any team have a trade exception in that range?

cfan79 · Post #9 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:41 pm

ParticleMan wrote:What exactly do we gain out of this scenario, other than to lose Tony Allen for nothing?

Tony Allen < Nothing

We'd save money that we could spend on people who are good and don't act like 4 yr olds when they miss shots.

Post #10 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:46 pm

cfan79 wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:What exactly do we gain out of this scenario, other than to lose Tony Allen for nothing?

Tony Allen < Nothing

We'd save money that we could spend on people who are good and don't act like a 4 yr old when they miss shots.

Well the point is we wouldn't save hardly any money. We'd pay the $2mil buyout, and save TA's salary which is just a little bit more.

Even if you hate TA, which I don't (I still think he's our best wing defender), it still is better for us to keep him and try to use his expiring deal at the deadline.

Now if DAL were to say sweeten the pot by sending a draft pick our way, then I'd be much more interested. But I'm not sure they would do that.

theman · Post #11 » by **theman** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:49 pm

I believe the Clippers have a pretty big trade exemption.

I agree with particleman, the Celtic gain what $500,000 dollars in the deal? I can somewhat see wanting Stackhouse as a player despite the fact he is done. But this waive sceniro makes no sense.

I still say we need to package Scal, Tony, House, and Pruitt to a team looking for 2010 cap space and bring a player.

cfan79 · Post #12 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:58 pm

ParticleMan wrote:
Well the point is we wouldn't save hardly any money. We'd pay the $2mil buyout, and save TA's salary which is just a little bit more.

Even if you hate TA, which I don't (I still think he's our best wing defender), it still is better for us to keep him and try to use his expiring deal at the deadline.

Now if DAL were to say sweeten the pot by sending a draft pick our way, then I'd be much more interested. But I'm not sure they would do that.

I was figuring that Scala AND Tony could be in the deal. Just Tony doesn't make any sense.

cfan79 · Post #13 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:16 pm

Memphis might want to get involved. I believe they have a big exception.

Post #14 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:19 pm

cfan79 wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:
Well the point is we wouldn't save hardly any money. We'd pay the $2mil buyout, and save TA's salary which is just a little bit more.

Even if you hate TA, which I don't (I still think he's our best wing defender), it still is better for us to keep him and try to use his expiring deal at the deadline.

Now if DAL were to say sweeten the pot by sending a draft pick our way, then I'd be much more interested. But I'm not sure they would do that.

I was figuring that Scala AND Tony could be in the deal. Just Tony doesn't make any sense.

Right, but then the trouble is that TOR can't take any more salary back than Tony. If they do they won't have space to sign Hedo. So I don't think they would take back Scal too. DAL can't take Scal because they are over the cap, and Stack's salary would match Marion's. So where would Scal go?

cfan79 · Post #15 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:24 pm

ParticleMan wrote:

Right, but then the trouble is that TOR can't take any more salary back than Tony. If they do they won't have space to sign Hedo. So I don't think they would take back Scal too. DAL can't take Scal because they are over the cap, and Stack's salary would match Marion's. So where would Scal go?

To hell

Just kidding. I was figuring that one of them could of taken him and sent us a jelly sandwich.

Post #16 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 6:34 pm

lol. except Scal would probably eat the sandwich before the trade could be consummated.

campybatman · Post #17 » by **campybatman** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 7:55 pm

Never mind.

The Dallas Mavericks are close to acquiring Shawn Marion in a sign-and-trade deal with the Toronto Raptors, league sources said Wednesday.

Jerry Stackhouse will be dealt to the Raptors, who will ship his contract to another team for considerations.

The Memphis Grizzlies or Oklahoma City Thunder are believed to be the possible third team involved because they can absorb contracts without having to give any salary back to Toronto.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... s&expire=1