Matt Barnes/Thabo Sefolosha should be targeted over Hill etc

eitanr · Post #1 » by **eitanr** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 1:43 pm

I feel Grant Hill gets by too much on name recognition. Truth is for a backup wing, particularly SF,C's should try for an athletic wing who can defend or someone who can also do those things and hit the open 3.

My candidates for such who may come cheap are Matt Barnes and Thabo Sefolosha.

Barnes - He is a very nice 3 point shooter, brings nice energy, and solid defender off the bench. He also has worked well in a similar role with the Suns in the past.

Thabo - Similar athletiscm to a Ariza type. Thabo is lengthy, a legit 3, and can do a bit of everything. Truth is though, he doesn't have the greatest 3 point shot.

I honestly believe Boston can sign both these guys for the amount that would equate a Grant Hill type. They would do a lot more for the C's than an aging Hill.

Post #2 » by **sully00** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:21 pm

Can we stop with Matt Barnes is a solid defender? He is a terrible defender, he can be a physical player at times but he is not an effective defender on the wing. The only time he defends well is against other SF's who are too slow on the wing and too weak in the paint to slide up or down to the 2 or the 4. He plays with some fire and energy and if his shot is on he is a weapon and if its off you don't want him near your team. The problem is he seems to shoot 40% from 3 one year and 20% the next. He is somewhere in between Scal and House in the dependability dept and they can cover what he brings.

Thabo is not a terrible idea, at 6'5", he isn't a long SF, except for the fact that he is under contract to the Thunder and making more than we would pay Grant Hil.

Edug27 · Post #3 » by **Edug27** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:23 pm

I agree, to a certain extent ... Hill will be a good backup for the most part, but I feel we should find a younger, more athletic backup for Pierce. Someone who can run and benefit from a PG like Rondo. Someone whos long and quick, and can step in for Pierce and guard the LeBron's and Kobe's of the world. We need someone who is a bit more offensive minded than an Ariza is.

cfan79 · Post #4 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:41 pm

I'd love to go with someone younger, but it would cost more. Even I have to agree that Grant Hill would be a better signing if he's getting less then 2 million for a year. We don't want to get stuck in another long contract because it might stop us from getting Wade etc.

BillessuR6 · Post #5 » by **BillessuR6** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:48 pm

Barnes is a poor defender, I have no idea why people think he can defend. Still, if we could sign for the minimum I would be delighted. But it doesn`t look like Danny is interested in him.

And OKC traded a first rounder for Sefolosha, so why would they be interested in trading him?

hickfromfrenchlick · Post #6 » by **hickfromfrenchlick** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:54 pm

Multiple Suns fans have said that Hill was far superior to Barnes a perimeter defender. They've got no dog in this hunt, so I take them at their word. (I didn't watch a lot of Suns basketball last season.)

TheOGJabroni · Post #7 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:07 pm

I wonder what it would take to pry Thabo away from OKC.

They dislike all of their vet. PG's. Maybe a combination of JR Giddens and Gabe Pruitt and even a protected second rounder for Thabo?

TheOGJabroni · Post #8 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:08 pm

Then we could use our LLE on a PG, assuming Marbury doesn't come back. Or keep the slot open and sign someone at the deadline.

BakersDozen · Post #9 » by **BakersDozen** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:14 pm

how about Rodney Carney?

Rocky5000 · Post #10 » by **Rocky5000** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:15 pm

ABout Barnes, check out the wiretap. Suns won't make him an offer. Cavaliers, Lakers, Magic, and Mavs are all reportedly interested in signing him.

Post #11 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:16 pm

I'd rather have Hill at the LLE than any of those guys.

We're trying to win a title, not stockpile young talent.

jfs1000d · Post #12 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:17 pm

How do u sign them? Hill would be coming at the LLE. That's it.

TheOGJabroni · Post #13 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:19 pm

ParticleMan wrote:I'd rather have Hill at the LLE than any of those guys.

We're trying to win a title, not stockpile young talent.

Thabo's defensive abilities can help us win right now, probably even more so than Grant Hill at this point IMO.

Zin5 · Post #14 » by **Zin5** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:28 pm

I'd love Thabo if we can get him in a relatively cheap deal. Something like what was mentioned, either Walker or Giddens (we don't need either if we're bringing in Thabo) and Pruitt for him maybe. They'd probably want more.

But other than that, we can bring Hill over for just the LLE. He's better in every aspect of his game than Barnes is right now, other than athleticism, for at least the next two years which is all we'd need either for really.

sweatdog · Post #15 » by **sweatdog** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:31 pm

Just in case it has escaped anyone reading this entire thread - Matt Barnes is not a guy you sign for defensive contributions. I distinctly remember seeing him play on TV or streaming games online and thinking hes not a guy i want on my team.

I'm not a 'know it all' and yes Barnes could be useful on the C's but you should prefer to sign a guy who probably will be useful to the C's ... lets wait until those guys are out of the equation before we settle for Barnes.

Thabo "swiss army knife" Sefolosha is starting to break out on OKC, hes under contract, and we cannot realistically acquire him. Hes gona be special though. He might be the next player to have a 5x5 game

CelticFaninLBC · Post #16 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:42 pm

Rocky5000 wrote:ABout Barnes, check out the wiretap. Suns won't make him an offer. Cavaliers, Lakers, Magic, and Mavs are all reportedly interested in signing him.

If LA gives him an offer, he'll sign there.

Post #17 » by **shackles10** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:10 pm

Edug27 wrote:I agree, to a certain extent ... Hill will be a good backup for the most part, but I feel we should find a younger, more athletic backup for Pierce. Someone who can run and benefit from a PG like Rondo. Someone whos long and quick, and can step in for Pierce and guard the LeBron's and Kobe's of the world. We need someone who is a bit more offensive minded than an Ariza is.

All of those things make this mystery player more expensive. Maybe that is what we need, but it is in no way what we can afford. Until we get to the end all of the things you described are Trevor Ariza, but yet you want this guy to be more offensive minded than Ariza. Ariza just got $6m a year pretty much, so how do we get a better version of him for 1/3 of the money??

Post #18 » by **sully00** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:11 pm

LAL is a good fit for Barnes he is a hustle player that can shoot the 3 and rebound his position.

But he wants a 3 year deal not the minimum. To be honest why not go get Wally World back if that is the player you want, I am serious and I am sure KG would love it.

humblebum · Post #19 » by **humblebum** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:23 pm

Haha. I'd pay Wally the minimum to come and stroke the three ball for the Celtics. Better than resting our hopes on the overhyped thug that is Matt Barnes.

Edug27 · Post #20 » by **Edug27** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 4:32 pm

shackles10 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:I agree, to a certain extent ... Hill will be a good backup for the most part, but I feel we should find a younger, more athletic backup for Pierce. Someone who can run and benefit from a PG like Rondo. Someone whos long and quick, and can step in for Pierce and guard the LeBron's and Kobe's of the world. We need someone who is a bit more offensive minded than an Ariza is.

All of those things make this mystery player more expensive. Maybe that is what we need, but it is in no way what we can afford. Until we get to the end all of the things you described are Trevor Ariza, but yet you want this guy to be more offensive minded than Ariza. Ariza just got $6m a year pretty much, so how do we get a better version of him for 1/3 of the money??

Theres a difference between Trevor Ariza, and the next Trevor Ariza. The Lakers didnt have him at 6 mil when they first signed him and when he played a pivotal role in their title run ... and they signed him because he was young, athletic, and capable of bein a good defender. Im not saying we go out there and sign him, but we should look for a young guy who fits those standards and can be the next Ariza. If we do sign Hill, getting a guy like CJ Miles for insurance would be cool.