Contingency idea for depth at center

GreenDreamer · Post #1 » by **GreenDreamer** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:29 pm

The word is that Hollins might be out in Dallas. Now this idea only applies if Danny makes a roster space clearing trade, but I've always liked the kid. Can't shoot worth a damn, but he's 7 feet tall, and a good athlete who works hard. He's also only 24 years old. What makes him an object of interest to me is that we have Clifford Ray, who is like a miracle worker with big men. That we have KG, Perk and now Sheed also makes it more palateable.

I just think that the kid has some promise. I think that we could do a lot worse for an insurance big off of the bench, and I think that the kid has the right attitude. The old adage is that you can't teach height, and this dude can get up and down the court. It wouldn't be as if we were relying on him for serious minutes, but as a depth guy who plugged any unforseen holes, he could have value. If Cliff is able to make something of him, all the better. He certainly would get a master's class big man education between Cliff and our bigs. He would also cost very little money. It might be good for Danny to send out a feeler to the kid.

I don'tthink that he's good now, but I do believe that he has the tools to be good. If he would get his rotations down and add a little strength, he could be a nice defensive stop gap when needed, and could even round out to be a quality player, IMO. Beggars can't be choosers either. What do you all think?

Avalanche · Post #2 » by **Avalanche** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:34 pm

Mihm just got released by Memphis... though having not seen him in over a season i figure hes done

Post #3 » by **sully00** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:35 pm

I am a Ryan Hollins fan. Isn't he a restricted FA?

BillessuR6 · Post #4 » by **BillessuR6** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:37 pm

He would be a nice third center. Extremely athletic. Long. Can block shots...

But that would mean no Robert Swift...and I would like Swift to be our third center. I think if he gets into shape he is a better player than Hollins...

Post #5 » by **ParticleMan** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:38 pm

only if they give him a QO.

if they don't he's a UFA.

i'd tell dallas to give him a QO, then trade him for one of our youngsters (pruitt?). dallas might do it with some incentive to get a young player back for someone they were going to dump anyways.

GreenDreamer · Post #6 » by **GreenDreamer** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:44 pm

sully00 wrote:I am a Ryan Hollins fan. Isn't he a restricted FA?

Not sure, but the Mavs got Juwai back in the Raptors trade and seem to like him, which means that they are likely to just let Hollins leave. I'm just going off of what some dudes over on the Mavs board are saying. I figure that if he actually was available, he'd be nice to have. He would have a hard time getting on the court here, but he would also get a first class experience with regards to coaching and mentoring which could advance his career, which should make coming here an attractive option for him.

It wouldn't hurt to ask would it?

GreenDreamer · Post #7 » by **GreenDreamer** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 10:50 pm

thebirdman wrote:He would be a nice third center. Extremely athletic. Long. Can block shots...

But that would mean no Robert Swift...and I would like Swift to be our third center. I think if he gets into shape he is a better player than Hollins...

The whole thing about Swift are the physical "ifs." I just like Hollins disposition out there and his quickness. A guy as quick as he is, with that size, can be a really good defender if he gets it all together. Cliff is simply amazing at getting the most out of MOTIVATED young bigs (POB does not apply). Anyone who has ever watched Hollins knows that trying hard isn't an issue with him. The dude is a gamer, he is just very raw.

I'm not down on Swift, but I wouldn't mind seeing Hollins in the Green. It wouldn't be as if he'd never get on the court, because you know that KG and Sheed will be taking games off from time to time just to keep them healthy (that is if Doc isn't completely insane). Those times would be good opportnities for him to get 20 or so quality minutes in. I'd be OK with him being here.

Post #8 » by **TMU** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:01 pm

sully00 wrote:I am a Ryan Hollins fan. Isn't he a restricted FA?

Hollins is a restricted FA.

jfs1000d · Post #9 » by **jfs1000d** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:01 pm

I don't think we should bring anyone in on a guranteed deal. Let's assume Big Baby re-signs. Then we have 4 people for two spots. Add Scal in and that's 5. The only spot remaining (and this is a must get) is a big and tall third string center. I think swift fits it perfectly, but if Hollins will come on cheap, then fine.

GreenDreamer · Post #10 » by **GreenDreamer** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:04 pm

jfs1000d wrote:I don't think we should bring anyone in on a guranteed deal. Let's assume Big Baby re-signs. Then we have 4 people for two spots. Add Scal in and that's 5. The only spot remaining (and this is a must get) is a big and tall third string center. I think swift fits it perfectly, but if Hollins will come on cheap, then fine.

I am holding out hope that Danny is going to be moving most of our dead money in trades to get depth at the 1 through 3 spots. The whole "thinking the roster is OK as is" thing ain't OK by me. The only guy who I think is useful is Scalabrine, and there is a chance that he would get bought out and come back anyways at the vet min. Eddie, Tony, Gabe, and JR can all go and I'd be perfectly fine with it.

Post #11 » by **ParticleMan** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:05 pm

I think this idea was in the event that BBD doesn't re-sign. obviously if he re-signs then our depth problem at the big spot is solved.

If not, i wouldn't be opposed to Hollins at the min. but it's sad that on a mavs team starving for size he couldn't get any burn.

Post #12 » by **canman1971** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:08 pm

Well, whether or not Davis resigns or not, I have a hard time believing that Ainge won't bring in Swift to camp on a non-guaranteed contract if he has liked him as much as portrayed (debatable). So there is your scrub center, to start anyway, IMO.

GreenDreamer · Post #13 » by **GreenDreamer** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:16 pm

ParticleMan wrote:I think this idea was in the event that BBD doesn't re-sign. obviously if he re-signs then our depth problem at the big spot is solved.

If not, i wouldn't be opposed to Hollins at the min. but it's sad that on a mavs team starving for size he couldn't get any burn.

Personally, I think that a sign and trade using Big Baby would be a good move if we can get a good combo guard or wing out of the deal. Having him as our 4th big would certainly be a good thing, but not if that means that our best player at the 1 through 3 spots is Eddie House.... yuck.

Post #14 » by **sully00** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:24 pm

GreenDreamer wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:I think this idea was in the event that BBD doesn't re-sign. obviously if he re-signs then our depth problem at the big spot is solved.

If not, i wouldn't be opposed to Hollins at the min. but it's sad that on a mavs team starving for size he couldn't get any burn.

Personally, I think that a sign and trade using Big Baby would be a good move if we can get a good combo guard or wing out of the deal. Having him as our 4th big would certainly be a good thing, but not if that means that our best player at the 1 through 3 spots is Eddie House.... yuck.

While I understand the sentiments. The team has depth if not flashy ability on the perimeter. You may or may not like House and TA but they are NBA talents and Walker and Giddens have ability, Pruitt hasn't shown much but either have most of the options out there for the minimum.

I think this team is better off bringing back Davis and going with guys who know the system, than taking a flyer that a guy is going to fit in. Mo Pete sounds good on paper but there is a reason he is playing 12 mins a game.

You find that proven post season performer, then I will make room for him and figure it out but the same guy that we already have in a different skin suit I am not into. No change for the sake of change.

GreenDreamer · Post #15 » by **GreenDreamer** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:30 pm

I don't want Mo Pete. I don't want our 3rd guard being a short no point guard who is borderline useless against some teams. Give me a good combo guard who you can roll out there against anyone. Tony is a disaster out there. Walker is the only small foward that we have backing up Pierce on the roster. Saying that Giddens or Allen is one is BS. They are too short.

This team needs to make some moves to get players who can actually back these positions up. Otherwise it will be another season of Paul and Ray getting run into the ground.

Post #16 » by **sully00** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 11:55 pm

GreenDreamer wrote:I don't want Mo Pete. I don't want our 3rd guard being a short no point guard who is borderline useless against some teams. Give me a good combo guard who you can roll out there against anyone. Tony is a disaster out there. Walker is the only small foward that we have backing up Pierce on the roster. Saying that Giddens or Allen is one is BS. They are too short.

This team needs to make some moves to get players who can actually back these positions up. Otherwise it will be another season of Paul and Ray getting run into the ground.

You don't want Mo Pete why agai? He is 6'7" swingman who can shoot the 3 that is exactly who you say you want. That is an available veteran SG. This the problem you don't like TA but you are going to have a hard time finding anyone better than him.

To be honest I wouldn't mind KG taking some mins at the SF spot himself. What are we talking about 5 mins a game? Give Walker some mins call it a day. Long SF covered.

GreenDreamer · Post #17 » by **GreenDreamer** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:07 am

sully00 wrote:
GreenDreamer wrote:I don't want Mo Pete. I don't want our 3rd guard being a short no point guard who is borderline useless against some teams. Give me a good combo guard who you can roll out there against anyone. Tony is a disaster out there. Walker is the only small foward that we have backing up Pierce on the roster. Saying that Giddens or Allen is one is BS. They are too short.

This team needs to make some moves to get players who can actually back these positions up. Otherwise it will be another season of Paul and Ray getting run into the ground.

You don't want Mo Pete why agai? He is 6'7" swingman who can shoot the 3 that is exactly who you say you want. That is an available veteran SG. This the problem you don't like TA but you are going to have a hard time finding anyone better than him.

To be honest I wouldn't mind KG taking some mins at the SF spot himself. What are we talking about 5 mins a game? Give Walker some mins call it a day. Long SF covered.

Mo Pete is making 6.2 million dollars this season, and 6.6 nesxt season. That for a guy whose skills are rapidly fading. No thanks.

Tony sucks.

Post #18 » by **sully00** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:56 am

I got ya you were talking about poor Eddie again. I am not saying I am hot for Mo just a guy who is out there. Antonio Daniels is another and while a pg and less money he is no where near the shooter or scorer.

Yeah great Tony sucks but the problem is that you have to find someone better than him for 2 mil bucks or a trade. I mean Dahntay Jones sucks too he cost 2 mil bucks. Marquis Daniels sucks and he is going to cost at least 2mil.

You can say Tony sucks all you want but he scores 8ppg at a good clip and plays pretty good defense. How do you do better is the question.

To do a S&T of Big Baby at 5 mil you will have to take in 10 mil in contracts, you will send it out as well in TA/Scal. But you are going to be getting a guy making some money.

GreenDreamer · Post #19 » by **GreenDreamer** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:22 am

sully00 wrote:I got ya you were talking about poor Eddie again. I am not saying I am hot for Mo just a guy who is out there. Antonio Daniels is another and while a pg and less money he is no where near the shooter or scorer.

Yeah great Tony sucks but the problem is that you have to find someone better than him for 2 mil bucks or a trade. I mean Dahntay Jones sucks too he cost 2 mil bucks. Marquis Daniels sucks and he is going to cost at least 2mil.

You can say Tony sucks all you want but he scores 8ppg at a good clip and plays pretty good defense. How do you do better is the question.

To do a S&T of Big Baby at 5 mil you will have to take in 10 mil in contracts, you will send it out as well in TA/Scal. But you are going to be getting a guy making some money.

Yeah, but do they suck more or less than Tony? I ask that because Tony really, really sucks. How bad does he suck? he managed to amass a -53 plus/minus in the playoffs despite playing only 9% of the team's minutes, which worked out to a -42 per 48 minute mark. He made Mikki Moore look tolerable in comparison. He is simply awful. A basketball moron.

I'm looking at him as being an expiring contract because I don't see how any team would actually want him as a player.

Post #20 » by **Slartibartfast** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:33 am

I never saw much of Swift before Summer League, and I have to say, after this last game, I don't think he belongs in the NBA. As a 4th year vet, his defense on Hibbert was grade school. Some of the worst post D I've ever seen and I watched Big Al his rookie season and Chris Anderson vs. Pau Gasol.