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So Yao is now done for next year.

Does Houston do the full rebuild?

Send them Scal, TA, Walker and if they don't resign McGrady, they're players in the summer of 2010..

They are not going into full rebuild mode, that team has won a lot of games without McGrady and Yao and that is likely to continue.

On the other hand they are a team I could see making a run at Glen Davis.

sully00 wrote:They are not going into full rebuild mode, that team has won a lot of games without McGrady and Yao and that is likely to continue.

On the other hand they are a team I could see making a run at Glen Davis.

Yes I agree, but on the other hand, are they real contenders? I could see them making a play for a real big-time player next summer. I mean, is mediocrity enough?

JHTruth wrote:

sully00 wrote:They are not going into full rebuild mode, that team has won a lot of games without McGrady and Yao and that is likely to continue.

On the other hand they are a team I could see making a run at Glen Davis.

Yes I agree, but on the other hand, are they real contenders? I could see them making a play for a real big-time player next summer. I mean, is mediocrity enough?

While I am sure mediocrity is not enough the Rockets are well run, they don't have to go all the way to the bottom of the slide to come back up. Why not try and make the playoffs with the current roster and go into next year with a playoff cast and all kinds of roster flexibility? Perhaps they find a taker for TMac at the deadline, or maybe he remembers that he is TMac and not Larry Hughes. They only have Yao (player option) and Battier under contract for next season with some small team option contracts, what could they do to rebuild anyhow?

Get a high pick, then get as far under the cap as possible to sign even a couple guys in the summer next year.

Houston needs to plan for a Yao-less future unfortunately. Ariza was a great start but if you sign a couple young studs next year with a high draft pick? That's a team that could do some damage..

Trade ID #5199075
it works . we give scal, t. allen, and giddens along with a 1st draft pick, they get cap space.

all that and I still say they would get better offers from other teams.


I like Battier's game though.

if possible you absolutely have to do the before mentioned trade ^^^^
could there be another way to deal bbd in this if it were to come down to that?

if they wanted baby that bad and had interest in that trade we could do the trade mentioned and then send them baby for either barry, landry, or hayes

And why would Houston do this at all?

Rebuild means save money, play youngsters, get high pick. Houston wants to save money, play youngsters, and compete. Battier comes an incredibly valuable deal, you think moneyball Morey will sell him cheap, only way he goes is for a youngster with untapped potential, or a proven star.

Don't think we're selling Battier cheap at all.

Battier is a nice player. But to think he worth a proven STAR, or a youngster with untapped potential, is seriously overestimate his value.

Come on, Battier is a 10PPG/5RPG SF.

To trade Battier to a expiring contract could save about 6-7M from his final year of contract.

And also remember Battier is not young anymore, he is on the wrong side of 30, Birth Date: September 9, 1978

Bluewhale wrote:Battier is a nice player. But to think he worth a proven STAR is seriously overestimate his value.

Come on, Battier is a 10PPG/5RPG SF.

You mean production, not value we're overrating. His production is nothing to jump around at.

I wish had the NY Times article about Battier, it's something behind the numbers that he brings. His value though is not overrated, his production statistically is. What he brings to the table is far more valuable than his 10/5/45%/40%.

And to offer Scal, 1st, giddens, TA? I mean c'mon. We offered him in a trade for Ricky Rubio. Morey, worst move, was NOT sending it for the 5th overall pick, we were stunned to see him go to #5. Had he known Rubio would've been #5, we would've dealt Battier for the 5th overall pick. That's his value league-wide.

Bluewhale wrote:Battier is a nice player. But to think he worth a proven STAR, or a youngster with untapped potential, is seriously overestimate his value.

Come on, Battier is a 10PPG/5RPG SF.

To trade Battier to a expiring contract could save about 6-7M from his final year of contract.

And also remember Battier is not young anymore, he is on the wrong side of 30, Birth Date: September 9, 1978

Didn't comment on the edit part, so he's part 2 for the reply.

Yes, he is 30/31. But you do realize his game is based off skill, analyzing, and IQ right? He has virtually no athleticism to speak of, I don't think we'll see him decline far off until really 37/38 TBH.

As for expiring contract, why? We have about a good 10-15mil in cap room next off-seaosn, and we can fetch FAR more value then just expirings for Battier. Heck, we were inches away on acquiring Rubio. Why would we settle for expirings for Battier? He makes about 6.5mil and that's a tremendous value.

DraftBoy10 wrote:

Bluewhale wrote:Battier is a nice player. But to think he worth a proven STAR, or a youngster with untapped potential, is seriously overestimate his value.

Come on, Battier is a 10PPG/5RPG SF.

To trade Battier to a expiring contract could save about 6-7M from his final year of contract.

And also remember Battier is not young anymore, he is on the wrong side of 30, Birth Date: September 9, 1978

Didn't comment on the edit part, so he's part 2 for the reply.

Yes, he is 30/31. But you do realize his game is based off skill, analyzing, and IQ right? He has virtually no athleticism to speak of, I don't think we'll see him decline far off until really 37/38 TBH.

As for expiring contract, why? We have about a good 10-15mil in cap room next off-seaosn, and we can fetch FAR more value then just expirings for Battier. Heck, we were inches away on acquiring Rubio. Why would we settle for expirings for Battier? He makes about 6.5mil and that's a tremendous value.

1. Unless a trade did happened, I don't believe Battier worth #5 pick. Ray Allen worth #5 pick on the wrong side of 30, but not Battier.

2. Come on, how many SF not decline until really 37/38? Give me a break, are you talking about Battier? I think you are talking about MJ.

3. 16-20M cap room is much better than 10-15M cap room, I think this is a common sense. Could you compete for Wade/Bosh for 10-15M cap room? Not even close.

Bottom line. Battier is a very very nice role player SF with 10/5. That's it. Don't even think him as a STAR.

You are debating your opinion vs. facts.

Your opinion for the most part, I agree with, but the track record proves us wrong. I mean we denied dealing Landry + Battier for the 5th pick from Washington, initially.

So to say he isn't worth the 5 pick is wrong, not only tht but acquiring Ray Allen IMO was a steal in such a weak draft(not that this draft is much stronger, but the top of the top here> the top in that draft). And just cause Allen got pick #5, doesn't erally mean much, I mean face value is hard to compare, I mean in essence I guess if camby gets traded this off-season, if the Clippers get more than a 2nd ruonder they won the trade.

Though, I agree with most your points, except for the aging part. I think ray allen falls in that category too, he'll be a productive player til labout 37, 38,(similar to Reggie Miller) despite his quickness falling, his game is based off of skill. And, I'm not comparing MJ to Battier at all, I'm simply stating that what he was when he was 25, is the exact same is when he's 30. Though I do expect decline(naturally), it won't off-set much of his presence(ala Bruce Bowen, who FINALLY in the tailend of his career at 38)

DraftBoy10 wrote:You are debating your opinion vs. facts.

Your opinion for the most part, I agree with, but the track record proves us wrong. I mean we denied dealing Landry + Battier for the 5th pick from Washington, initially.

So to say he isn't worth the 5 pick is wrong, not only tht but acquiring Ray Allen IMO was a steal in such a weak draft(not that this draft is much stronger, but the top of the top here> the top in that draft). And just cause Allen got pick #5, doesn't erally mean much, I mean face value is hard to compare, I mean in essence I guess if camby gets traded this off-season, if the Clippers get more than a 2nd ruonder they won the trade.

Though, I agree with most your points, except for the aging part. I think ray allen falls in that category too, he'll be a productive player til labout 37, 38,(similar to Reggie Miller) despite his quickness falling, his game is based off of skill. And, I'm not comparing MJ to Battier at all, I'm simply stating that what he was when he was 25, is the exact same is when he's 30. Though I do expect decline(naturally), it won't off-set much of his presence(ala Bruce Bowen, who FINALLY in the tailend of his career at 38)

Sorry Draftboy but Battier at this point of his career is absolutely not worth a 5th pick even in a so called "weak" draft. Houston attempted to trade Battier and Aaron Brooks for Ricky Rubio but was rejected.