PG aside, the rotation is crystallizing

Fencer reregistered · Post #1 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:28 am

Starters

Perk
KG
PP
Ray
Rondo

Key backups

Sheed -- #3 big (both PF and C)
Davis -- #4 big (both PF and C)
Daniels -- #2 SF, #2 or #3 SG depending on matchup
House -- #3 or #2 SG depending on matchup, #3 PG
New guy -- #2 PG

Everybody else is developmental or insurance

And by the way -- if Daniels for some odd reason does come for the LLE, Marbury becomes the best PG candidate we can pay (absent a creative trade).

Post #2 » by **Darth Celtic** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:43 am

there will not be a new pg. my opinion, but i think i'm right on this one.

Rondo 33 house 15 -------about right on par with last year
Allen 33 Daniels 15
Pierce 33 daniels 15
KG-28 BBD 12- wallace -8
Perk 28- wallace 20

now, injuries, foul trouble, off nights, back to backs, important games this might change, but for regular season this gives the older guys rest. and keeps perk fresh as well, and the older small guys no more then 33 either. 9 man rotations. 12 mpg for davis and 15 for house were close to last year when team was healthy.

Fencer reregistered · Post #3 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:03 am

Over the past 2 years, they've brought in 3 guys to try to supplant House as backup PG -- Pruitt, Cassell, and Marbury. Do you think they'll stop trying, or do you think they'll keep failing?

Post #4 » by **Darth Celtic** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:07 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:Over the past 2 years, they've brought in 3 guys to try to supplant House as backup PG -- Pruitt, Cassell, and Marbury. Do you think they'll stop trying, or do you think they'll keep failing?

i think daniels fills the role as both. He is like marbury and at times cassel, a guy big enough to play wings with handles.

bc legends · Post #5 » by **bc legends** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:08 am

Darth Celtic wrote:there will not be a new pg. my opinion, but i think i'm right on this one.

Rondo 33 house 15 -------about right on par with last year
Allen 33 Daniels 15
Pierce 33 daniels 15
KG-28 BBD 12- wallace -8
Perk 28- wallace 20

now, injuries, foul trouble, off nights, back to backs, important games this might change, but for regular season this gives the older guys rest. and keeps perk fresh as well, and the older small guys no more then 33 either. 9 man rotations. 12 mpg for davis and 15 for house were close to last year when team was healthy.

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Im not sure the FO would chase after a pg considering daniels does pretty well with ball pressure and has exceptional handles. hed be a nice compliment to house considering hed also be able to guard sgs on the opposite end of the floor.

it somewhat leans on how we acquire him as the OP mentioned, therefore we can't rule out a possibility of reacquiring marbury.

Cyclical · Post #6 » by **Cyclical** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:21 am

Darth Celtic wrote:Rondo 33 house 15 -------about right on par with last year
Allen 33 Daniels 15
Pierce 33 daniels 15
KG-28 BBD 12- wallace -8
Perk 28- wallace 20

Not bad but I'd much prefer it if:

1. Daniels got 5-10 mins less - He's about as good or just slightly better than a healthy TA. I just don't see him getting much more than 20 mins per game. He's just not the savvy guy that Posey was for us, and he's a pretty poor long range shooter.

2. KG 3-4 mins. more

3. House 3-4 mins. less and saw AT LEAST half his minutes at the 2 spot with either Pruitt, Hudson or a new acquisition (the latter seeming less and less likely) getting about 8-10 mins a game.

cfan79 · Post #7 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:45 am

Eddie House is expendable now, we need to bring in a real point guard. I think too many people have a hard on for him.

BillessuR6 · Post #8 » by **BillessuR6** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:56 am

Eddie House is not expandable. We need his shooting...TA, Scal, the young guys are expendable but not Eddie...

cfan79 · Post #9 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:03 pm

thebirdman wrote:Eddie House is not expandable. We need his shooting...TA, Scal, the young guys are expendable but not Eddie...

Daniels can get to the basket whereas House acts like he'll get electricuted if he passes the 3 point line. Eddies is just too limited a player. I wished he didn't pick up his option.

cfan79 · Post #10 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:06 pm

We don't need his shooting anyways, our top 6 or 7 players can all shoot from everywhere on the floor.

BillTheGOAT · Post #11 » by **BillTheGOAT** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:08 pm

watson signed with pacers so i don't think theres a s&t anymore for daniels.

i think we should keep pruitt as a backup to rondo and we have house who can play the PG as well, it worked two years ago why shouldn't it work now ? at least wait until march 1st, if we need a PG who gets waived we can sign and leave a roster spot empty for Powe.

cfan79 · Post #12 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:11 pm

corndog wrote:watson signed with pacers so i don't think theres a s&t anymore for daniels.

i think we should keep pruitt as a backup to rondo and we have house who can play the PG as well, it worked two years ago why shouldn't it work now ? at least wait until march 1st, if we need a PG who gets wauved we can sign and leave a roster spot empty for Powe.

Pruitt hasn't shown diddily tittily. He looks like a deer running from a redneck with an uzi whenever he's on the floor.

Post #13 » by **ParticleMan** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:09 pm

I think we'll see what the PG plans are on Aug 1. That's when we have to pick up Pruitt's option. If he's let go, then we're going after a vet min PG like Lue. If not then we're set.

Perk
KG
Pierce
Allen
Rondo

Sheed
Daniels
BBD
House

TA
Giddy
Walker
Scal
Pruitt/vet PG

That's 14. then we have 1 spot for... Hudson? Swift? or some other deep project.
Of course if we do a SnT for Daniels that would free up a roster spot or 2...

BillessuR6 · Post #14 » by **BillessuR6** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:13 pm

cfan79 wrote:Daniels can get to the basket whereas House acts like he'll get electricuted if he passes the 3 point line. Eddies is just too limited a player. I wished he didn't pick up his option.

You call him limited I call him a specialist. He is one of the best shooters in the league. And that is what makes him a valuable role player...

Fencer reregistered · Post #15 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:37 pm

Darth: Are you suggesting that House's 15 minutes at PG and Daniels' 15 minutes at SG would be the same 15 minutes, with Daniels being the offensive PG among the two?

Andre- · Post #16 » by **Andre-** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:27 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:Darth: Are you suggesting that House's 15 minutes at PG and Daniels' 15 minutes at SG would be the same 15 minutes, with Daniels being the offensive PG among the two?

To be honest there won't be such a thing as sharing minutes for now.
Every team in the NBA is different, we need different strengths against different teams.

Eddie's 3p shooting might be so sufficient against teams that don't defend the perimeter well.
Play more Daniels if the perimeter is locked and you need more creativity, driving.

Should just condition the line-up accordingly to whom you play against.
Because right now we're so stacked and so multi-dimensional we can make changes a lot...

imo

celticfan42487 · Post #17 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:44 pm

playing Daniels as the primary ballhandler makes him so much more valuable on the second unit for our offense.

And allows House to be used. Who with Sheed on our bench will help keep the spacing in the offense in a nice amount.

If we get Baby, then I think we can play both Daniels and TA at times. Of course that'd be a rare 5 minutes of a game or maybe one where our second unit is handling the other team. But Scal, Baby, Sheed, KG. All 3 point shooters. House, Ray Allen, Pierce are three point shooters. Rondo, Daniels, TA are all best as drivers. And Pierce is best as a driver too but he's versatile enough to fill both roles.

Oh and of course Ray Allen is best when he is the only offense and everyone has to run picks for him so I'd guess he's the offense too.

idk, with Daniels I don't think our team would benefit from a vet min PG like Lue. Daniels brings the ball up like Lue, and House shoots the 3 that Lue can bring.

The only PG that would dramatically help this team right now is Starbury. It's over if we someohow end up with Marbs as our backup PG and Baby as our backup PF... hell I'd take our bench in that case against some teams!
Marbs
House
Daniels
Baby
Sheed

MVP16 · Post #18 » by **MVP16** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:18 pm

cfan79 wrote:We don't need his shooting anyways, our top 6 or 7 players can all shoot from everywhere on the floor.

Oh really? Perk/Rondo/Daniels aren't good shooters. That's 3 of our top 8-9 players. We need Eddie's shooting and he should be fine with either Daniels or Pierce playing point forward when Eddie is on the floor.

cfan79 · Post #19 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:26 pm

MVP16 wrote:
cfan79 wrote:We don't need his shooting anyways, our top 6 or 7 players can all shoot from everywhere on the floor.

Oh really? Perk/Rondo/Daniels aren't good shooters. That's 3 of our top 8-9 players. We need Eddie's shooting and he should be fine with either Daniels or Pierce playing point forward when Eddie is on the floor.

I misspoke I mean't we have solid shooters in our top 7.

That's true Perk and Rondo can't shoot, but someone has to be in the paint. We can't have everyone shooting from the outside. Besides even Perk has shown progress offensively. KG, Paul, Ray, Rasheed and even Daniels are all good shooters.

underneathtoDJ · Post #20 » by **underneathtoDJ** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:07 pm

I think we need to keep House. His shooting has the ability to change a game. While he has his deficiencies, I think it's important to keep a guy like that around. He's not going to get many minutes with the 1st unit and will likely be seeing a lot of time with the likes of Pruitt, Daniels, Sheed (who is a good outside shooter), BBD, TA, Giddens, Walker. Sheed is the only one I consider a good 3 point shooter out of that group. House spaces the floor for the rest of the 2nd unit.