Do you want Danny to trade Glen Davis?

Al-Haqq · Post #1 » by **Al-Haqq** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:55 pm

I for one am somewhat confused as to why Danny is so keen to sign and trade Big Baby.

Perhaps he feels his post-season play could lead to a GM to over-value his worth and we get another prospect on board for cheaper cost.

Maybe he's developing more MPG for Rasheed.

I don't know ...

I just don't get why it's such a bad idea to sign Baby and KEEP him. He's shown real commitment to the Celtics and I think he can become useful again next season. Although Danny seems to think otherwise.

I consistently see trade ideas to get rid of him, but I cannot understand and nor has anyone given reason as to why we should trade him.

Give me your opinions and WHY.

Regards.

P.S - if anyone cares Al-Haqq is Arabic for The Truth.

Post #2 » by **canman1971** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:03 pm

Who says he is so keen to trade him? I think Ainge wants to keep him, but he probably has no intention of matching a full MLE offer, which I don't blame him. Ainge is being smart right now. He is allowing Davis to do the work and if he gets an interested team, he can investigate a sign and trade to improve the team, match or let him walk. Danny is just playing the game very well and nobody has any idea what he is thinking and what number he is willing to match for Davis, so why not try and use that as a position of strength?

humblebum · Post #3 » by **humblebum** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:18 pm

Agreed with canman... If Ainge were to offer Davis a specific contract then Davis' agent would simply go around to other teams and say this is what the Celtics offered Glen. That would be the equivalent of showing your hand in poker. By allowing Davis to search for suitors and not giving him a contract offer, Ainge is keeping all options on the table. Which is exactly how it should be done.

But to answer the question... I think that, as with any potential trade, it comes down to what you're getting back. If you're dealing a package involving Davis, Scal, and TA for Tayshaun Prince then sure... If it's simply Davis and our young pieces for Maxiell then NO. Ultimately it just depends on the value you're able to get back in the deal.

Post #4 » by **ParticleMan** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:21 pm

It's all about value. Davis isn't some superstar. If you can get good value in return, you trade him.

The Maxiell + 1st was a nice try. Maxiell is pretty much equivalent in talent to Davis, and we get a 1st. Of course Dumars isn't going to bite, he's too smart, but that's an example of how Danny would be willing to trade BBD.

Meanwhile, Danny has said that he will match any offer. So it's hardly like we're TRYING to get rid of him.

cfan79 · Post #5 » by **cfan79** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:27 pm

Al-Haqq wrote:I consistently see trade ideas to get rid of him, but I cannot understand and nor has anyone given reason as to why we should trade him.

I've said repeatedly these things

1. Baby's value is at an all time high right now
2. There's not enough playing time to keep him happy
3. He wants too much money for the amount of time he would get

Mahoney_jr · Post #6 » by **Mahoney_jr** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:27 pm

Honestly guys, what do we want with Baby? He is worth more than playing around 12 mpgs as the 2nd big off the bench. Don't you agree?

Therefore I would welcome a lesser but younger player or a more seasoned, quality veteran.

Celts17Pride · Post #7 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:40 pm

Pretty Simple. I want Big Baby back but if Ainge can improve the team by trading him then you make the move.

Celts17Pride · Post #8 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:42 pm

Mahoney_jr wrote:Honestly guys, what do we want with Baby? He is worth more than playing around 12 mpgs as the 2nd big off the bench. Don't you agree?

Therefore I would welcome a lesser but younger player or a more seasoned, quality veteran.

Next season you'll be one of the people crying that the Celtics don't have enough bigs in Garnett, Wallace & Perkins. Three bigs is not enough. I thought we learned this last season.

Post #9 » by **ParticleMan** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:45 pm

We definitely need a quality 4th big. Scal doesn't cut it. It just doesn't necessarily have to be BBD.

princeofpalace · Post #10 » by **princeofpalace** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:45 pm

humblebum wrote:Agreed with canman... If Ainge were to offer Davis a specific contract then Davis' agent would simply go around to other teams and say this is what the Celtics offered Glen. That would be the equivalent of showing your hand in poker. By allowing Davis to search for suitors and not giving him a contract offer, Ainge is keeping all options on the table. Which is exactly how it should be done.

But to answer the question... I think that, as with any potential trade, it comes down to what you're getting back. If you're dealing a package involving Davis, Scal, and TA for Tayshaun Prince then sure... If it's simply Davis and our young pieces for Maxiell then NO. Ultimately it just depends on the value you're able to get back in the deal.

Be a little realistic. That package would never land Prince or even any other good starting SF.

Post #11 » by **ParticleMan** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:46 pm

^^^ obviously. it was an extreme example to make a point.

Post #12 » by **sully00** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:54 pm

With Daniels on board filling out the wing position I think keeping Davis is the best option available. It gives you 4 bench players with position flexibility. I also like keeping guys who know the system.

Post #13 » by **darrendaye** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:01 pm

If they can manage to sign him for a trade friendly intermediate-long term contract, I'm for keeping him. If they are put in a corner to sign only a one year deal or an exorbant multi-year contract, I say trade away.

I think the counter-offer to Detroit sets a pretty good tone in terms of value. I'd like any deal for Davis to include a future 1st round pick, knowing that the team will be rebuilding after this current window closes.

But in any event, while Davis has grown on me, I don't think the guy should be long term Celtic considering, again, where the team will be in its evolutionary cycle in a few years. Whether this offseason or next, I do hope Ainge can cash in on hitting it on the screws with this second round pick.

TheOGJabroni · Post #14 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:10 pm

Most people worry we will not have a fourth big but in all honesty, someone like BBD is not hard to find in drafts or in FA. And we have Scal (who has shown he is capable to step in if needed at least) to hold us over until next year where the 2010 FA bananza will take place. If we can get a solid backup PG and a decent pick for Baby and other expirings, I'd take it. Baby is good. But his ceiling is what we have already seen from him during the playoffs.

Celts17Pride · Post #15 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:41 pm

bosFcelts wrote:Most people worry we will not have a fourth big but in all honesty, someone like BBD is not hard to find in drafts or in FA.

Yeah there is always a Mikki Moore. :roll:

TheOGJabroni · Post #16 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:33 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
bosFcelts wrote:Most people worry we will not have a fourth big but in all honesty, someone like BBD is not hard to find in drafts or in FA.

Yeah there is always a Mikki Moore.

Everyone knows that was a desperation move. The correct move would have been to wait it out and hope Joe Smith would have signed here. Now looking back on it, even if we had lost out on Joe Smith and Mikki, it would have had 0 effect on the outcome of our season. Like most people thought it would when we signed Mikki. It would have been much smarter for us to wait for Joe.

Post #17 » by **ParticleMan** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:38 pm

except that Joe wasn't signing here. that was made perfectly clear well before he was bought out.

but you're right, it still would have had 0 effect on our season.

TheOGJabroni · Post #18 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:57 pm

Was it certain he wasn't signing here? I thought there were mixed reports on that matter. Regardless, we should have waited even if that was the case because really Mikki probably hurt our team more than anything. And finding a big like Joe Smith is much easier in FA during the offseason right now, rather than waiting for a buyout like last year around the trade deadline.

Post #19 » by **ParticleMan** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:09 pm

lol i remember there were people here who actually thought mikki would be better than joe smith.
anyway yes, joe said he was going back to cleveland pretty early on. he knew the team, he liked the players, and frankly, they were the favorites. why wouldn't go there? i'm sure ainge inquired with due diligence, but i'm guessing he didn't get a nibble.

look, nobody would have cared a whit about mikki moore had KG and Powe stayed healthy. that's what doomed us. as soon as guys like scal and mikki actually got PT, we were dead.

GuyClinch · Post #20 » by **GuyClinch** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:36 pm

C's are in a postition of power here. Even with his limited minutes he is worth the QO. If another team wants to pay him more then you would you do a sign and trade. We can't lose him unless we want to.

I am not a BBD lover. He might be a bit better then Scalabrine but you don't sink a large amount of salary into a guy not good enough to be the third big off the bench. So if he does end up commanding a large amount of money you listen to his AGENTS sign and trade ideas.

Its his agent that is dying to get him out of here - trust me. You first and foremost need burn to make the big bucks. He can't get that here.

Pete