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Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#1 » by TheOGJabroni » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:32 pm

I was going to post this in the Stephon Marbury interview thread we have going on but I went way OT and ended talking about my feelings altogether regarding the roster we may/should have going into next season.

I was all for getting Marbury when there was a thought that it could happen last season. I was excited when New York bought him out and we signed him to a contract for the remainder of the year. I liked his potential he showed to be close to the player he once was right away when he stepped on the court for the first time in a year or so. I became a little disappointed as the season progressed, and Steph simply didn't progress the way most had hoped. I became irate when it looked like he was going to blow us off this offseason and just sign with the team that offers him the most money. Now, after cooling down a little bit from those last reports, I would still like Stephon Marbury on this team, if he hasn't worn out his welcome. If he goes through training camp with the team, is able to play alongside his good friend Kevin Garnett, can better adjust to coming off the bench, and can be in good basketball shape the whole time he is here, I still think he can be a great backup PG.

Perk / Sheed
KG / Sheed / Baby
Pierce / Daniels
Allen / House
Rondo / Marbury

I would love to see this team going into the season. To me, that looks incredible, and much better than our championship year roster even. We could actually form a startling line up of all current/former all stars. (Sheed, KG, Pierce, Ray, Steph). I'm not going to look it up, but I am quite sure most teams cannot say that. And we may hear the argument, "Great, you have 5 players who have been all-stars over their career, but now they are over the hill." Well, the fact is, our oldest of those five are Ray Allen and Rasheed Wallace, at 34. If memory serves correct, Ray dropped a 51 point game just a couple months ago in the playoffs, on very limited rest all season long. Shooting doesn't just disappear, and Ray is still the best this league has to offer. He will be effective with his type of game for a long time. Now adding depth to this team will only allow to rest his legs for a change, and hopefully provide even more consistency which seems to be his one flaw as he has aged. Then, Rasheed Wallace. Rasheed Wallace is coming off the bench! SHEED! off the bench!? Just let that sink into your head and think of how truly ridiculous that sounds. Since entering the NBA, Rasheed Wallace has started approximately 93% of the games he has played in. Now this man is willing to take a backseat to an already loaded starting frontcourt to bolster the bench to help this team win another championship.

Then, you need to talk about the emerging stud at PG on our team with more weapons than ever, and more importantly, fit perfectly with his game. If he doesn't have some type of freak injury and there isn't some crazy upgrade in the East at the PG position, Rondo should be an all-star next year, hands down IMO. If he can perform even close to the way he showed he is capable of playing during the playoffs last season, he is a lock. Just think of the way he has progressed from our championship playoff run to last year's playoff run. He was expected to just play defense and not commit any stupid turnovers on offense as a second year pro, first year starter with 3 future HOF’ers. That was his job. In a year's time, he was running the show in Boston, and was arguably our best player in the playoffs. I can only imagine what another year under his belt will do for his game. Adding in KG and Sheed, will not take away from his PT at all, and will only give him better offensive weapons to work with.

Then, round out the rotation with very solid role players in Marquis Daniels - a starter for most of the year last year with the Indiana Pacers, who may not have had a great team, but were young, tough, and improving, and always seemed to give us problems when we faced them. He is extremely versitaile and will work very well with his unselfish ability when there are good shooters on the floor. Then, speaking of good shooters, there is Eddie House. We know exactly what we are going to get from him: a terrific shooter and a great teammate/energy guy to enter the game when we are in need of some scoring. Then, Glen Davis if he is re-signed. I am hoping this is so the more I think about it. I was all for trading him for a backup PG when the offseason started and the realization that Marbury may not re-sign with the team occured. But now thinking about it, we should really keep Baby unless there is an absolutely ridiculous offer sheet or a trade offer that simply blows us away. We can solve our backup PG issue in a variety of ways, and we could have the answer right in front of us still if we give Gabe another opportunity if Steph truly is a knucklehead and doesn't re-sign here. Having said that, if Rondo was our best player in the playoffs last season, Glen Davis had to be at least our most surprisingly effective player. He was clutch at different parts of games (including the famous game winner before he trucked over the young Magic fan :lol: ). Along with this, for his enormous size, he is surprisingly quick. And he is also as strong as an ox. Big Baby once lifted Shaq over his head :eek2: No one else can say something like that. He has shown he can put his strength to good use on the basketball court as well. When he has been given the challenge to guard the likes of Tim Duncan, Shaquille O’Neal, and Dwight Howard in the past season he has done as good of a job as anybody. He may not get a lot of PT this year, but after seeing what he did for us in the absence of KG, I would want him as a luxury on our team in case of injury rather than on someone else’s squad.

Our playoff team looked a lot like this last year:

Perk / Baby / Mikki
Baby / Scal
Pierce / Ray?
Ray / Eddie
Rondo / Steph

All I can say is, WOW!

Perk showed dominance on the defensive end and we can continue to expect decent improvements in his post game as well.
Baby would now be used as a utility player, seeing about 10 minutes a game or so, after starting in the playoffs and playing well over 30 minutes a game.
Pierce, another year older, but will finally be able to rest with a legitimate backup behind him.
Same goes for Ray Allen.
Rondo will have another year of progression and like I have stated, more weapons at his disposal.
Scal will be used mostly in garbage/limited matchup minutes. A perfect role for him.
Eddie will be as effective as he has always been since being signed in Boston.
Steph will finally be in basketball shape and will develop better chemistry if he is re-signed.
And lastly, Mikki Moore will be nowhere near Boston! Possibly the best news out of all of this :D

Our team has gotten significantly better from the team that took this past year's Eastern Conference Champions to a game 7, and IMO possibly even better than our roster that won the NBA Championship the year before. With a healthy roster, there is no doubt in my mind, we will be the 09-10 NBA Champions.
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#2 » by basketballnj21 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:49 pm

too longgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#3 » by TheOGJabroni » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:00 pm

Sorry are we in kindergarten or what?
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#4 » by ParticleMan » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:43 pm

with Sheed and Daniels i think we are better than the team that won #17. we now go 7 deep in quality starters, while 2 years ago our bench was highlighted by posey who is really a career backup (albeit a good one).

really it's all about our health. as you say we're not that old but we're also not getting any younger. also i think other teams have gotten better too.

as for steph, i really don't think he has anything left. it's sad, but it's time to face it. he isn't going to contribute, and no a full training camp isn't going to help.
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#5 » by Ticket_Stub » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:00 pm

I hope Marbs re-signs.
Marbury + Daniels + Sheed reminds me of Cassell + Posey + PJ Brown
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#6 » by TheOGJabroni » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:17 pm

ParticleMan wrote:with Sheed and Daniels i think we are better than the team that won #17. we now go 7 deep in quality starters, while 2 years ago our bench was highlighted by posey who is really a career backup (albeit a good one).

really it's all about our health. as you say we're not that old but we're also not getting any younger. also i think other teams have gotten better too.

as for steph, i really don't think he has anything left. it's sad, but it's time to face it. he isn't going to contribute, and no a full training camp isn't going to help.

This may or may not be true but would you rather have Steph playing backup PG or Gabe Pruitt? Or do you think there is another option out there better than either of them?
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#7 » by TheOGJabroni » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:18 pm

Ticket_Stub wrote:I hope Marbs re-signs.
Marbury + Daniels + Sheed reminds me of Cassell + Posey + PJ Brown

Agreed. But better IMO.

Marbury (if a little better than last season. not that crazy) > Sam
Daniels > Posey
Sheed >>> Brown

Pierce, Ray, and KG may have lost have step, but Rondo and Perk have gained two.
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#8 » by ParticleMan » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:51 pm

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ParticleMan wrote:with Sheed and Daniels i think we are better than the team that won #17. we now go 7 deep in quality starters, while 2 years ago our bench was highlighted by posey who is really a career backup (albeit a good one).

really it's all about our health. as you say we're not that old but we're also not getting any younger. also i think other teams have gotten better too.

as for steph, i really don't think he has anything left. it's sad, but it's time to face it. he isn't going to contribute, and no a full training camp isn't going to help.

This may or may not be true but would you rather have Steph playing backup PG or Gabe Pruitt? Or do you think there is another option out there better than either of them?


Daniels can play backup PG with House as the SG. Pruitt can be 3rd string, that's fine. I'd much rather have that situation than Marbs backing up Rondo. There are some ok vets still out there too, better than Marbury and who won't complain about being 3rd string.
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#9 » by Banks2Pierce » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:26 pm

Daniels can't do straight up backup pg. Spot minutes: fine, but no way as a backup.
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#10 » by ParticleMan » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:40 pm

sure he can, why not. it's really PG by committee with him and Eddie out there, so if you feel better about it call house the PG and daniels the SG. daniels can handle the ball.

look at it this way: would you rather have Daniels out there next to Eddie or Marbs? Daniels is 6-6 and can guard SGs well, while Marbury struggles. so defensively we're way better off. and daniels' ability to get into the lane nicely complements house's shooting.
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#11 » by cisco » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:44 pm

ParticleMan wrote:sure he can, why not. it's really PG by committee with him and Eddie out there, so if you feel better about it call house the PG and daniels the SG. daniels can handle the ball.

look at it this way: would you rather have Daniels out there next to Eddie or Marbs? Daniels is 6-6 and can guard SGs well, while Marbury struggles. so defensively we're way better off. and daniels' ability to get into the lane nicely complements house's shooting.


Daniels is not really good at initiating the offense. All he can do is bring the ball up. We need a real point guard to initiate the offense.
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#12 » by TheOGJabroni » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:00 pm

ParticleMan wrote:sure he can, why not. it's really PG by committee with him and Eddie out there, so if you feel better about it call house the PG and daniels the SG. daniels can handle the ball.

look at it this way: would you rather have Daniels out there next to Eddie or Marbs? Daniels is 6-6 and can guard SGs well, while Marbury struggles. so defensively we're way better off. and daniels' ability to get into the lane nicely complements house's shooting.

Defensively they may be better together but offensively, even when Marbury struggled last year, his one bright spot always seemed to be the chemistry between himself and House.
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Re: Looking Ahead to 09-10 

Post#13 » by tfmiii » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:17 pm

great post, I too am excited about the upcoming season, could be one for the ages!!
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Post#14 » by ParticleMan » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:26 pm

when Eddie was our backup PG all he did was bring the ball up and hand it to Pierce or KG or something. that's all daniels needs to do. it's true that it would be more optimal if we had a quality PG who could actually run an offense. OTOH, i'm a big believer in putting talent out on the floor, and letting them work it out. i just think daniels is so much more talented than any backup PG we could get at this point, including Marbs, that we should get him PT.

also, if you look at Daniels' splits, he is much more effective at SG than SF (and in the small amount of time he's played PG in his career he is exceptionally effective). so i really view him as a 1/2, rather than a 2/3, and hope that Walker can step up to be the backup to Pierce. i wouldn't mind, if we are going to bring in another player, to bring in a vet 3 like Udoka instead of a 1.

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