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Ainge's quote sure makes it sounds like Daniels will be our backup PG.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... t_gon.html

I think we will see a lot of the Daniels-House backcourt.

And Ainge seems very sure Daniels will be here, period.

But yeah -- I agree re the Daniels/House backcourt.

That means, by the way, that Pierce is the second-unit scorer much more than Ray.

this is how i want our backcourt to be after ray and rondo.. house is a small sg and daniels is a tall guard who can pg very well. a tall sf who can defend and shoot will make our back up backcourt great.

I think many of us knew Daniels was gonna be House's main backcourt partner. One of MD's strengths is his handle. OH, who am I... haha! Been following this board for years and just now decided to register.
GO CELTICS..!!!!

Marquis can certainly bring the ball up the floor, but that's not the same as playing the point. He has very poor court vision, and really has never been able to initiate the offense or create opportunities for other players. He can get to the basket, but that can be neutralized by quicker players and by the fact that he's a horrible, horrible shooter from beyond about 15-17 feet.

He was such a success at point in Indiana, that he was replaced by the likes of Andre Owens, Travis Diener, and Flip Murray.

Daniels will give you some pretty good defense, and he can score relatively well. If you start looking for him to be something else, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

I don't see MD as a PG. You'll have two combo guards sharing PG responsibilities. I think the idea is to match House up with someone who'll allow him to play off the ball. And to complement House's outside shooting with a nice inside game. All you really need in the backcourt with House, is another guy with nice handle, and can D'up the 2.

Daniels will be a PG only in the sense that he will bring the ball up and hand it off to Pierce or KG to initiate. House's main problem is that he can't bring the ball up against pressure. MD will relieve Pierce from having to do that.

Well, Marquis isn't an IDEAL point guard, but that's not required in Boston. All he needs to be is a better point guard than Eddie House--something which even a guy like Gabe Pruitt could do. I'm talking small things, like dribbling the ball up the court and initiating the offense--things Daniels can do. No worries there.

Backup point guard is about 3rd on the priority list right now--that's why Pruitt was let go. Hopefully, this leads to Lester Hudson making the team--I like that kid.

Can we agree that if Ainge brings in a backup point guard that he's wasn't really satisfied with Daniels as the backup pg like he said? I don't believe for one second that he's satisfied with Daniels.

It's been amazing how hard it's been to find a player that can bring the ball up the floor and remain productive in the process. Marquis isn't a point guard, but he is someone that can bring it up and he can help be productive off the bench. His defense will be valuable, and his play in the open court will as well.

cisco wrote:Can we agree that if Ainge brings in a backup point guard that he's wasn't really satisfied with Daniels as the backup pg like he said? I don't believe for one second that he's satisfied with Daniels.

not necessarily. we still need a 3rd string PG. if we get someone like Lue I think it's as a 3rd stringer, not Rondo's backup.

the real test is who actually plays behind Rondo once the season starts.

House will be the guy in when Rondo sits. Daniels will likely be in also for Pierce or Allen, so he can bring the ball up also. We need to find the guy will come here and be that 3rd string PG, and be able to fill in for injuries. That guy well could be Lue as some of the other free agents will probably want to go to a team where they are the number 2 PG.

Come on now. We have been watching Ainge for years and we know he actually covets a real PG to anchor the "second unit" that Doc loves to run. For a regular subsitition with Pierce and R. Allen on the floor Daniels could fake it at PG just like House could.

But for the second unit Doc will want a real PG. We have seen a host of guys come through here to fill that role..Cassell, Marbury.. Ainge will try to get someone else sooner or later.

MD can play the point. no question, imho
he is going to play along with Eddie House, who can guard the smaller pg and play the 2 on the other end of the floor
i see a 8 men rotation:

rajon rondo
ray allen
paul pierce
kevin garnett
kendrick perkins
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eddie house
marquis daniels
rasheed wallace

Stephon Marbury is highly likely to reprise his role as backup PG...he was offered the job outright with a deal for the 1.3 vet minimum and turned it down to play the market...the market told him he is worth 1.3 vet minimum and now Ainge is simply working on his higher priority issues such as Davis and Daniels before determining if there is still a spot open.

My guess is that Davis will end us signing the QO after not getting anywhere close to the money/years he was seeking, Daniels will sign outright for bi-annual and Marbury will come back for the min...

Daniels is a 3rd string PG at best...

billfromBoston wrote:Stephon Marbury is highly likely to reprise his role as backup PG...he was offered the job outright with a deal for the 1.3 vet minimum and turned it down to play the market...the market told him he is worth 1.3 vet minimum and now Ainge is simply working on his higher priority issues such as Davis and Daniels before determining if there is still a spot open.

My guess is that Davis will end us signing the QO after not getting anywhere close to the money/years he was seeking, Daniels will sign outright for bi-annual and Marbury will come back for the min...

Daniels is a 3rd string PG at best...

I think it is pretty apparent that the Celtics are having difficulty getting rid of Tony Allen in the sign and trade for Daniels. I think offering the LLE to Marbury would be the way to go to secure him if the Celts can sign and trade for Daniels. It is almost to the Celtics benefit that Marbury took some time to show his skills were starting to come back becauase otherwise they couldn't afford him. Frankly it is hard to believe another team hasn't taken a limited gamble to give him $1.9 million. I think there is a much brighter upside to Marbury than say Tyrone Lue. We said last year that he got his feet under him after a year off and how much better things could be with a training camp. I'm hoping that we haven't seen Marbury attached to other teams, not because his real market value is the veteran minimum, but because the Celtics have been in touch with Marbury to give him the LLE if possible. I don't think he has totally lost it and would still be the no risk high reward player that we thought we were getting to begin with.

marquis daniels is not a point guard. danny continues to make the same mistake. watson was there for the taking and we should have grabbed him

Red2 wrote:marquis daniels is not a point guard. danny continues to make the same mistake. watson was there for the taking and we should have grabbed him

You must have not seen him play in Dallas.

2nd unit pg is overrated. Pass first guys like Rondo are nice with a starting unit that is loaded with scoring options, you want someone to get these guys the ball were they want it. Once you move to bench guys they tend to be guys who can score when the defense leaves them open, hence this is why it is difficult for primary ball handlers to score off the bench the defense never leaves them. Eddie House does the one thing you would want Rondo's back up to do and that is shoot the ball and do it from distance. Ty Lue fits this bill as well. Damiels does not but he can handle the ball and he gives you the option of putting a long defender on the ball in certain match ups. Daniels hasn't been a starting pg or played on a very good team in some time so his ability as a playmaker is certainly a question but he can score and he is a very good ball handler, he is basically TA without to the turnovers. I think that Daniels and House in the backcourt will work fine for the most part.

I am not seeing the Marbury thing at this point. I don't really care either way but I thought that Marbury said the team pulled its offer to him after he rejected it. I think as a 3rd pg playing 5-10 mpg we would be better off with a guy like Lue than Marbury.

sully00 wrote:2nd unit pg is overrated. Pass first guys like Rondo are nice with a starting unit that is loaded with scoring options, you want someone to get these guys the ball were they want it. Once you move to bench guys they tend to be guys who can score when the defense leaves them open, hence this is why it is difficult for primary ball handlers to score off the bench the defense never leaves them. Eddie House does the one thing you would want Rondo's back up to do and that is shoot the ball and do it from distance. Ty Lue fits this bill as well. Damiels does not but he can handle the ball and he gives you the option of putting a long defender on the ball in certain match ups. Daniels hasn't been a starting pg or played on a very good team in some time so his ability as a playmaker is certainly a question but he can score and he is a very good ball handler, he is basically TA without to the turnovers. I think that Daniels and House in the backcourt will work fine for the most part.

I am not seeing the Marbury thing at this point. I don't really care either way but I thought that Marbury said the team pulled its offer to him after he rejected it. I think as a 3rd pg playing 5-10 mpg we would be better off with a guy like Lue than Marbury.

I guess it is hard to know what Marbury's role would be without knowing the final roster. I believe Marbury will be a better player than he was overall for the Celtics and will show more than just glimpses of what he can still do. The fact that the Celtics offered any contract at all means at the least they see him as the backup and would hope that he can play time at SG if he finds more of his game. Is Eddie House going to be around or is Lester Hudson going to be an eventual replacement? So yes if the vision is to keep House and there is no plan to see if a training camp would help Marbury, then Lue is an easy option. I guess part of the decision is if he will be better than what we saw, because his inconsistent flashes of being able to score and be a shooter, and his consistent ability to distribute, still make him an interesting, cheap option.