At least 4 reports saying Daniels S & T unlikely

[Jammer]

There have been at least 4 reports in local Newspapers that a Sign & Trade for Marquis Daniels was not happening. About two weeks ago, Boston Globe or Herald reported that a Sign & Trade was unlikely, then the the Indianapolis Star had an article stating that a Sign & Trade was unlikely, last Monday the Boston Globe or Herald had the same report, and today the Indianapolis Star has the same report.

This is easy to know because the only assets that Celtics would put in a Sign & Trade start with finding a home for either Tony Allen or Brian Scalabrine. Of the original possible 9 trading partners that were under the cap/able to do this deal, roster changes to date have reduced it to two; Memphis and Indiana. Other teams with cap room such as Sacramento and Oklahoma City have absolutely zero use for Tony or Brian Scalabrine.

Someone affiliated with the team obviously acts as the source for the reporters who sign their name to these articles. So, it's pretty obvious that Marquis Daniels is reluctant to ink his name to a contract at the LLE despite reports for several weeks now indicating that the Celtics wanted to get his deal done.

Personally I kept hoping that Memphis would take Tony, but after 4 of these reports it's beginning to look like Memphis is going to suck royally again (their 6th sub 30 win season (22, 22, 23, 24, 28 and this year) in the past 9 years. I would have thought that they would have at least tried to win some games. Tony is better the any guard Memphis has on their bench right now.

[No1CeltsFan]

ur 100% wrong about Daniels not wanting to sign for the LLE. THat is wrong.

THe C's are the one who want the S & T because they want him for mult years if possible. THey know if they do a 1 year at 1.9$ he can leave after 1. They want him for mult.

HE committed here. He is 1000000000000000000000000000000% coming to boston via LLE or S & T.

People like u who write that 3rd paragraph are the reason stupid rumours get started.

[Scalamental]

People like u who write that 3rd paragraph are the reason stupid rumours get started.

Don't take that.

*bringing out popcorn*

[Celts17Pride]

Pointless.

[chas0x01]

HoopsHype reported a rumor that Daniels was gonna sign a two year deal at the LLE. That would be a coup if Boston can make that happen. Daniels is alot more important to us than he would be to many other teams. Daniels only has a midrange game, and most teams want their 2/3 to be able to take their offense out beyond the arc. But Daniels has the handle of a PG and that's the skill we need, along with his excellent D, to match'm up in the backcourt with House. Having a Big ball handling guard playin next to House is something we never had, but always needed (read: Pruitt).

I really like this team, and not just because of the Sheed and Daniels pickups, and re-signing Baby. Being a contract season, I have a strong feeling Rondo is gonna add some nice improvements to his offensive game, next year. Really, both Perks and Rondo will likely show some nice improvements, but I think you're gonna hear a lot of "RONDO RONDO RONDO...!", being chanted in the Garden, for sure.

[Fencer reregistered]

ur 100% wrong about Daniels not wanting to sign for the LLE. THat is wrong.

THe C's are the one who want the S & T because they want him for mult years if possible. THey know if they do a 1 year at 1.9$ he can leave after 1. They want him for mult.

HE committed here. He is 1000000000000000000000000000000% coming to boston via LLE or S & T.

People like u who write that 3rd paragraph are the reason stupid rumours get started.

Writing style and courtesy aside, you may have a point. I hope you're right.

[chas0x01]

Moving TA alone is gonna be a problem. And this is what the Celtics are asking the Pacers to do, as they would probably want to keep Walker or Giddens. Teams would likely want salary relief, and TA alone probably doesn't offer enough of that. The Celtics could probably get a S&T done if they included Scal, but they would likely have to take back an undesireable contract.
The Daniels camp maybe balking a little because they may feel that the Celtics could make this happen. Daniels really should be making a lot more than the LLE.

[Captain_Caveman]

One way or another, someone is buying out TA.

[Kefa461]

It seems it will be thru the Biannual Exception........."While the Pacers and Celtics still hope to find a third team to make a sign-and-trade deal for Marquis Daniels work, a source said it appears Daniels will likely end up signing with the Celtics for the biannual exception."


This is from Daniels twitter thinggy.....


http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2009/08/da ... -soon.html

[Dave_From_NB]

Everyone is saying the right things, but I'll still be a lot more comfortable having his signature on a contract.

[sully00]

I think the issue is that Daniels is not going to sign the BAE for two seasons he will want a player option for year two. Boston would prefer to get him on a deal that gives him enough money so they don't have to mess with the player option in year two, because they will be in a situation were they would have to tie up the MLE to retain and they may actually need that to replace Ray. I am sure they would also love to get out of paying either TA or Scal for the season and retain the BAE for next season.

There is no need to rush into anything what everyone is looking for may still be an option as camp is on the horizon and traded players start pass the time period that they can be included in multi player deals. Only something positive can happen from waiting why not wait?

[ryaningf]

The paranoia in me says that the delay in the sign-and-trade isn't because Boston and Indy are still holding out hope for a mysterious third team, but because they're trying to expand the trade on Indy's side and because Danny is still entertaining the possibility of trading Rondo and/or Ray, either in this deal or in a multi-team deal.

Things like 'will you take TA off our hands' don't take months to contemplate--things like making Daniels' signing a part of a 4 team deal which also involves TJ Ford and Rondo, that's something that could take a while to get down. Couple this with the fact that Hume, the god of rumor mongering, has been hinting for weeks that there's more to the Daniels deal than he can devulge, just has me thinking something more than finding a dumping ground for TA is under consideration.

This is simply pure speculation though--nothing I think we should or even will do. Just an explanation for the delay, factoring in what we know of the situation.

[Dirty Water]

The paranoia in me says that the delay in the sign-and-trade isn't because Boston and Indy are still holding out hope for a mysterious third team, but because they're trying to expand the trade on Indy's side and because Danny is still entertaining the possibility of trading Rondo and/or Ray, either in this deal or in a multi-team deal.

Things like 'will you take TA off our hands' don't take months to contemplate--things like making Daniels' signing a part of a 4 team deal which also involves TJ Ford and Rondo, that's something that could take a while to get down. Couple this with the fact that Hume, the god of rumor mongering, has been hinting for weeks that there's more to the Daniels deal than he can devulge, just has me thinking something more than finding a dumping ground for TA is under consideration.

This is simply pure speculation though--nothing I think we should or even will do. Just an explanation for the delay, factoring in what we know of the situation.

Thanks for the laugh. Tuesday afternoon is creeping along here at work. It's entertainment, really.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Yep...these are truly the dog days of summer, the silly season...

Wake me up when October rolls around...

[ryaningf]

Yep...these are truly the dog days of summer, the silly season...

Wake me up when October rolls around...

This is thread about speculation and you come here and laugh because people are speculating.

Wake me up when you made a substantial post.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Yep...these are truly the dog days of summer, the silly season...

Wake me up when October rolls around...

This is thread about speculation and you come here and laugh because people are speculating.

Wake me up when you made a substantial post.

Nothing wrong with speculation, but I can only take so much...summer's suck for sports unless you're a Sox fan (which I am, but they are suckin' right now...)

Wake me up when you have earned the respect on this board to be taken seriously

[Zin5]

Personally I kept hoping that Memphis would take Tony, but after 4 of these reports it's beginning to look like Memphis is going to suck royally again (their 6th sub 30 win season (22, 22, 23, 24, 28 and this year) in the past 9 years. I would have thought that they would have at least tried to win some games. Tony is better the any guard Memphis has on their bench right now.

Get this through your head: If Allen isn't going to be able to help us win, he isn't going to help anyone to win. He's not worth a team taking him for $2.5M.

[Celts17Pride]

Personally I kept hoping that Memphis would take Tony, but after 4 of these reports it's beginning to look like Memphis is going to suck royally again (their 6th sub 30 win season (22, 22, 23, 24, 28 and this year) in the past 9 years. I would have thought that they would have at least tried to win some games. Tony is better the any guard Memphis has on their bench right now.

Get this through your head: If Allen isn't going to be able to help us win, he isn't going to help anyone to win. He's not worth a team taking him for $2.5M.

Jammer doesn't get it. Somehow he thinks Tony Allen is a cross between Michael Jordan and Kobe when in reality he is dead weight. NO TEAM WANTS TONY ALLEN.

The only way a team would consider making a trade for Tony Allen is if the Celtics contributed $3.0 million and a future 1st round pick and even that might not be enough.

[chas0x01]

I thought there might be something more to the S&T, but I seriously doubt Rondo would be traded for T.J. Ford at this time.

[ParticleMan]

Personally I kept hoping that Memphis would take Tony, but after 4 of these reports it's beginning to look like Memphis is going to suck royally again (their 6th sub 30 win season (22, 22, 23, 24, 28 and this year) in the past 9 years. I would have thought that they would have at least tried to win some games. Tony is better the any guard Memphis has on their bench right now.

Get this through your head: If Allen isn't going to be able to help us win, he isn't going to help anyone to win. He's not worth a team taking him for $2.5M.

Jammer doesn't get it. Somehow he thinks Tony Allen is a cross between Michael Jordan and Kobe when in reality he is dead weight. NO TEAM WANTS TONY ALLEN.

The only way a team would consider making a trade for Tony Allen is if the Celtics contributed $3.0 million and a future 1st round pick and even that might not be enough.

That's silly. They could just pay the team 2.5mil and the team can buy out Tony. It's not like he's some kind of cancer. He's just not that good a player, mostly because he's too often injured.

I'm not too worried about the Quis deal. There's really no rush for it for any side, so they're holding out hope that something slightly better will come along (ie some 3rd team interested in facilitating a s-n-t). of course that's looking pretty unlikely, but there's no harm in waiting it out. it's not like he's missing camp or anything.