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Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:49 pm
by SonicYouth34
I got this off the Timberwolves board...yes, I still miss Gomes and Jefferson. Its Hume...so take it with a grain of salt.
According to Matthew David Hume (New England Beat Writer),
http://twitter.com/MatthewDHumeConfused me a bit, but it sounds like we're trying to get J.R. Giddens, Tony Allen, Brian Scalabrine, or all 3 in some package with the C's and Rockets. He says Boston would keep Wilkins but buy out Atkins
I'm a Giddens fan so I hope they turn two bums into Giddens and see if he can turn into a decent bench player - maybe something more if he puts it all together. Who cares about the Atkins savings this year, take a chance on an athletic wing.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:02 pm
by TheOGJabroni
Wow at first when I read your post and you mentioned Big Al and Gomes I got really excited. Classic misunderstanding.
This trade just is. Nothing too great or negative. Wilkins is the better player out of he, JR and TA at this stage. I don't know why we'd buy out Atkins though. He could be that insurance policy PG some of us on here are talking about, much like Lue could be.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:08 pm
by CeltsfanSinceBirth
Damien Wilkens? Why?
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:12 pm
by BillessuR6
Scal+TA+Giddens (6,9 mio) for Atkins+Wilkins (7,1 mio)...
Atkins contract is only 760k guaranteed that is why we would waive him. That would save us 2,6 mio (5,2 since we are over the luxury tax)...
I wouldn`t mind this trade. It gives us more flexibility, we get a back up SF and we can always trade Wilkins again if it doesn`t work out...
Wilkins and Atkins can not be traded before September 27th however...
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:27 pm
by bruno sundov
who is wilkins??
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:40 pm
by BRUNiNHO91
Who is Wilkins?[2]
And damn..something tells me we should not give JR Giddens up just yet..this trade has 'I will come back and bite you in the ass just like Billups and Joe Johnson' written all over it!!!!
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:41 pm
by GregB
This makes a lot of sense for us. We save money with Atkins immediately. Which I know is important to the Cs. Wilkins is also an expiring contract. But He fills a greater need as backup SF. Competing with Bill Walker for minutes . Plus, He can still be used in a later deal.
I wonder if we sign or trade for a backup PG before training camp?
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:44 pm
by BillessuR6
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:56 pm
by sully00
thebirdman wrote:Scal+TA+Giddens (6,9 mio) for Atkins+Wilkins (7,1 mio)...
Atkins contract is only 760k guaranteed that is why we would waive him. That would save us 2,6 mio (5,2 since we are over the luxury tax)...
I wouldn`t mind this trade. It gives us more flexibility, we get a back up SF and we can always trade Wilkins again if it doesn`t work out...
Wilkins and Atkins can not be traded before September 27th however...
Nah, they can deal them separately now. So two trades Wilkins for Scal and Tony and Giddens for Atkins, they can be dealt individually at any time they just cannot be used as combined salary till the 27th.
JR seems like kind of week return for taking on an extra 3.4 mil salary but they might get something out of TA as well.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:56 pm
by JHTruth
Wilkins would give us another Pierce and Allen back-up to help us defend the LeBrons and Artests of the world. I would much rather give him those minutes than Giddens or Walker, for this year at least. He'd be a solid bench guy.
Atkins, one tour of duty here is enough..
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:57 pm
by sully00
I would be fine with Atkins for the min but no interest in paying him 3.5 mil if you can just cut his ass.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:58 pm
by Hemingway
Can't blame the Cs if they want to save some money. I guess if they are already looking in this direction than the chances of making a trade to take on more salery, ie tony and scal for someone who can help, are probably low.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:09 pm
by BillessuR6
sully00 wrote:
Nah, they can deal them separately now. So two trades Wilkins for Scal and Tony and Giddens for Atkins, they can be dealt individually at any time they just cannot be used as combined salary till the 27th.
True...
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:09 pm
by Zin5
I think I'd rather keep Scal as 5th/6th big, TA as 4th wing, and JR's potential than move them for a questionable 4th wing. I was pining for Wilkins last year, but this seems just a bit steep and I don't know if he's that much of an upgrade over TA. He's not that big SF we'd be looking for, he's just as big as Daniels.
All in all, it's a bunch of players that would only be getting scarce minutes anyways, so it's not that bad considering the financial upside.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:18 pm
by Andrew McCeltic
If it's a 3 for 1 trade (TA, Scal, Giddens for Wilkins) with Atkins cut, we end up with, what, 11 players under contract? We could sign Hudson and Swift and the only net loss would be Scalabrine's perimeter "shooting".
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:24 pm
by Bigmiketruth
Damien Wilkins already peaked. Classic case of "grass is greener" here if Giddens is moved in a deal for Wilkins. By all means get rid of TA though.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:25 pm
by UGA Hayes
I know we are all angry with Tony, but I would just as soon keep him as insurance for the rest of the year rather than trade him for someone we don't need. For all his faults, he is capable of putting good stretches together which can't be said for any of the other guys. Especially since he will only play if someone important gets hurt, which is incidentally when he seems to play best.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:44 pm
by chas0x01
This actually makes sense. Williams is better at the 4, so we could pickup a 5 like Swift or Mihm. And we clearup the logjam at the 2/3 while acquiring another very good defender.
Rondo, House, ?Hudson
RA, Daniels, Wilkins
PP, Daniels, Walker
KG, Baby, Williams
Perks, Sheed, ?Mihm
We could sign Hudson and another big, and still have an available roster spot open for a midseason acquisition.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:31 am
by SonicYouth34
You never know, Minny could but out B-Scal and he could return home.
Re: Trade Rumor Bos/Min
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:23 am
by Andrew McCeltic
Clearing roster spots is a good thing. Leave one for Camby at mid-season when he's bought out.
