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I thought Sweetney looked like an incredibly talented guy last night. Too bad he has eaten himself out of the NBA. If he could only lose 80 lbs. He actually has nice footwork and a sweet touch and his low post game is solid. Unfortunately he brings no energy to the defensive end and cannot control the boards due to his weight issues. If it weren't for the fact that he is too overweight to seriously make the team..... he would make the team over Sheldon Williams who doesn't look like he can contribute much to this team.

If you told me that Sweetney would definitely lose the weight and keep it off..... I would keep him over Williams.

sam_I_am wrote:I thought Sweetney looked like an incredibly talented guy last night. Too bad he has eaten himself out of the NBA. If he could only lose 80 lbs. He actually has nice footwork and a sweet touch and his low post game is solid. Unfortunately he brings no energy to the defensive end and cannot control the boards due to his weight issues. If it weren't for the fact that he is too overweight to seriously make the team..... he would make the team over Sheldon Williams who doesn't look like he can contribute much to this team.

If you told me that Sweetney would definitely lose the weight and keep it off..... I would keep him over Williams.

If Sweetney shows enough skill like last night and even more importantly shows that he is willing to work to remove the necessary weight off then I could see the Celtics keeping Sweetney on the 15 man roster and cutting TA or Giddens. IMO the Celtics have completely written off Tony Allen.

Sweetney would spend the year at the NBDL getting into shape to get ready for next season and be available for a call up in case there is a need. It makes sense because it's hard to pick up a big guy where wings are a dime a dozen.

I think Ainge has a few more little moves before the start of the season. We'll see.

he's clearly talented but it's remarkable he's unable to take the weight off, at least a bit. i mean he looks exactly the same as he did in SL. guys that big could lose 20-30 lbs at least in that time if they were serious about it.

i weigh 195 but if someone told me i could make millions if i got back to my playing weight of 175 i'd be stocking up on the salad mix faster than you could say nonfat ranch dressing.

i hope we somehow keep him but he's not as valuable as tony's expiring contract that could land us a big fish at the deadline.

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the fatty's strike again...

he had 8 minutes of play and scored the most points,afterwords he was seen eating two whole extra large stuffed pizzas at the cow pokes didn't leave a crumb. and drank a dozen cups of cherry coke.

It is so hard to watch he is like looking at an Eddie Murphy movie, that dude was a SF.

That said I think Shelden Williams totally sucks and not in a I hate him way. I just see a guy who has absolutely no offensive game, and is living on his reputation as a defender/rebounder and while he can rebound I don't think he can effectively defend at all.

I don't want to see either of these guys getting anything but garbage mins. But if that is the kind of defense the Landlord is bringing then I say let him go and hand fatty over to the Doo to work his magic.

Like the op said Sweets has great footwork but NO Defense, that being said Id still sign him over Shelden, Shelden seems like hes an unmotivated waste of space...

captain green wrote:omg
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Mike must be dealing with some self-loathing issues. A shrink would be just as important as a personal cook and personal trainer. Get to it man. Millions are on the table.

There is no question that Sweetney could be a significant role player as a minimum if he only could solve his weight issues. He is talented and played well with the Bulls until the weight got the better of him. He actually had an opportunity to start before his last season but he came to camp about 30-40 pounds heavier and his assignment was to lose 10-20 pounds.

It would be great if Michael could get into shape but its more likely we win the Afghan war.

sam_I_am wrote: If you told me that Sweetney would definitely lose the weight and keep it off..... I would keep him over Williams.

Completely agree with this statement.

Sweetney was impressive last night. He found ways to score and used his weight to carve out space in the lane. Only because of his conditioning is Williams more game-ready. Clifford Ray would have a great impact on either player. More, how did Ainge sign these 2 guys without many other GMs even taking notice. Celts have the best big man rotation hands down, regardless of who's eventually cut.

The hope is maybe he will develop some of the same workout habits that the hard working KG, Perk & BBD use to get himself in shape. Hopefully KG, Perk & BBD can push him along.

It's a longshot but he is talented.

I hope Sweetney can lose some weight and land somewhere but I was completely unimpressed last night. He did make a couple nice moves in the post, but against back-ups that he had height advantage on to go with the girth. He looked entirely useless on the defensive end and on the glass, and I mean useless. When I see a guy trying to make a team looking that out of shape I'm seriously concerned with his motivation level.

I'll take Shelden, he didn't look like much out there but at least he looks to be in great shape and can rebound the ball. A little work with the C's and he'll probably defend ok as well.

who looks better:

sweets or the Other Big O when he was in camp a few years ago?

Cyclical wrote:

captain green wrote:omg
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Mike must be dealing with some self-loathing issues. A shrink would be just as important as a personal cook and personal trainer. Get to it man. Millions are on the table.

hahaha, that looks like one of those weight loss ads, where in one picture he's smiling and thin and the other he's fat and frowning. Nice job sweetney

i was impressed with sweetneys low post game, he can definately contribute on offense. his problem is he can't get off the ground. sheldon though, he can't even fill one of leons shoes. forget about him.

garbage minute sheldon vs. sweetney.

williams: 4.7 ppg 5 rpg .5 apg .5 spg .5 bpg (2 fouls per game per 14 minute avg) 6.9 250 overall great shape. five coaches in five years exp. Received the organization’s Bob Pettit Award, given annually to a Hawks player who exemplifies hustle.

sweetney: 6.5 ppg 4.5 rpg .6 apg .3spg .4 bpg (2.4 fouls per game per 15.5 minute avg) 6.8 294 poor/unhealthy shape. four coaches in four years exp and has been out of league one whole season.injured List (left patella tendonitis).

All info is Nba not college but sheldon clearly wins there too...One guy all ready said it with our big guy coach both will get better and we have the deepest big rotation.
Williams is clearly better suited for our team defense over offense and getting no pt for either player i'd have to take the hustler over the eater. Who cant keep up with lebron over the two yep I thought so.

Ah...but Oliver was a guy who player C,big wingspan,great passer,high FG %. At 300 lb, he could have been okay. Unfortunately...and 350 the fullcourt game didn't work for him. Sweetney is a scoring F who's other skills were never good. He can't do it playing overweight.

Shelden is a pretty good player if used right and enough. He hasn't been developed much and has been left to rust too often.

Cyclical wrote:

OMG!

Sweetney has more talent and game but he is overweight. So I don't see how we have room for him. Williams is a stiff but at least he has a good work ethic. Does Danny gamble on the overweight guy? I don't think he does in a championship year.

Pete

Im surprised at some of what im reading in this thread. I feel like Sweets has a narrow offensive game, doesnt move his feet on defense as well as Williams, and clearly has self-esteem/motivational issues that extend beyond the gymnasium. Every year he promises himself and likely his coach that "this is the year im sticking to a healthy lifestyle regiment" but, over 1/2 a decade later .....

I think a man who does the best with what he has, ala Williams, is more valuable than a potentially better athlete who lacks that fire in the belly it takes to be a pro. Hes not the same guy he was in 2003.

Keep Williams and wish Sweets the best of luck as a FA.

GuyClinch wrote:So I don't see how we have room for him.

Unintentionally funny?