OT- Steven Jackson

Scalamental · Post #1 » by **Scalamental** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:47 am

What's up with this guy? He's acting like life won't exist after his contract is up. I never thought he was egregiously overpaid (just too much for the c's) but now that he's kicking and dragging his feet like a baby, I've got to look the other way.

Dogen · Post #2 » by **Dogen** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:33 pm

Scalamental wrote:What's up with this guy? He's acting like life won't exist after his contract is up. I never thought he was egregiously overpaid (just too much for the c's) but now that he's kicking and dragging his feet like a baby, I've got to look the other way.

He's what's wrong with the NBA and entitled people in general. I mean, WTF is someone getting paid, like, 15M a year or something and then complaining that the staff "doesn't have his back when he's busting his butt out there"?

Put him on the Warriors scrap heap with Latrell and Webber. Sorry to all the long suffering Warriors fans out there (I'm one of them), but hearing this type of entitled attitude from a guy who basically has done and said anything he wants, yet has barely managed to get his team into the playoffs, is a ridiculous hypocrisy. The Warriors want 'fair' value for Jackson. Some GM will pull the trigger on him, but I doubt they will give much in return. Besides, his contract sucks, and that is the Warriors' fault for acquiescing to his demands--- they treated a mercenary like a conquering hero.

AlCelticFan · Post #3 » by **AlCelticFan** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:03 pm

The fact is, that the NBA is setup such that if he whines enough he can go to another team. That puts a lot of the fault on the design of the league (most of the fault). If it wasn't so darn easy, he wouldn't be doing it. Who knows, maybe Golden State made Jackson some promises and then broke them.

Post #4 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:58 pm

he's actually getting paid 8.5 mil this year, which is pretty damn underpaid for someone who conssitently puts up 20 ppg with pretty good D. i think it's funny that everyone is saying, well if you didn't want to stay why did you sign the 3-yr deal? the fact is the warriors are getting him at a discount.

i know he's volatile but i wouldn't mind getting him on the C's at all. he's no more volatile than sheed. and when the team is doing well he focuses and is a hell of a player. if i was on the mess that is the warriors i'd want out too. what a freakin disaster of an organization, only topped by their neighbors the raiders.

Post #5 » by **Hilltop** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:11 pm

Honestly, even though I think Jackson is acting like a complete moron, the Warrior's organization is a complete joke. The way they've handled things the last couple years or so has just been abysmal, and I'm not surprised he wants out.

Scalamental · Post #6 » by **Scalamental** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:13 pm

ParticleMan wrote:he's actually getting paid 8.5 mil this year, which is pretty damn underpaid for someone who conssitently puts up 20 ppg with pretty good D. i think it's funny that everyone is saying, well if you didn't want to stay why did you sign the 3-yr deal? the fact is the warriors are getting him at a discount.

Pretty damned underpaid may be a stretch, but I always appreciated his skills for his worth. Would have loved of had him on the team like 2 months ago, but he has always been out of our price range. Getting him would either cut down our roster, or handicap the teams ability to add anyone else. Not to mention it's a 4 year long contract that doesn't get any cheaper as it goes long.

That said, how would the world not think if we got him, damn, nothing is going to stop the Celtics this year.

Post #7 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:37 pm

i think he's a candidate for a deadline deal. we could package tony+scal+JR/Walker and get to within 25% of Jack's salary. i think GS might do it just to get rid of the headache.

as for being underpaid, ok maybe pretty damn underpaid was a stretch, but go and find all the players in the league who've scored 20 ppg the last two seasons and make <10mil per this season. [edit: rookie deals aside, of course].

i'll save you the trouble. it's SJack and David West. either of those guys i'd love to have on the C's.

Chosen_One23 · Post #8 » by **Chosen_One23** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:06 pm

"stephen" jackson would look good in a celtic uniform..dont know what u guys have though to make a trade for him.

Scalamental · Post #9 » by **Scalamental** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:55 pm

ParticleMan wrote:i think he's a candidate for a deadline deal. we could package tony+scal+JR/Walker and get to within 25% of Jack's salary. i think GS might do it just to get rid of the headache.

as for being underpaid, ok maybe pretty damn underpaid was a stretch, but go and find all the players in the league who've scored 20 ppg the last two seasons and make <10mil per this season. [edit: rookie deals aside, of course].

i'll save you the trouble. it's SJack and David West. either of those guys i'd love to have on the C's.

Your preaching to the choir when it comes to acknowledging that he's a great player and would be a great addition, but everything comes with a price, and because the c's have stakes in the big three and a future rondo signing, his contract, in my mind, is too big for them. And seeing him act like a baby doesn't sweetin the pot either.

I'm mostly just mad that a player that I want on the c's isn't helping himself, the side effect making it even more difficult for him to make his way to the c's.

celtxman · Post #10 » by **celtxman** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:52 pm

There were at least two earlier threads how I thought he would be the perfect fit for the Celtics - the first one was before the Marquis Daniels signing. At this point my hope is that he does not land on the Cavs for Ilgauskus. Fortunately the Cavs at this point are a bit reluctant to let go of a big man with the frontline depth that the Celtics have, but they may do it anyway for a couple of reasons. They like JJ Hickson a lot and Z's expiring contract is the final bargaining chip that they have before they have to go with what they have to keep LeBron . Since the market is limited for Jackson, the Cavs can also take their time deciding. All of this bluster from Don Nelson getting "fair market value" is to try to get a guy like Hickson or a decent draft pick thrown in. It may just be a game of chicken. If the Warriors start 4-11 and Jackson keeps chirping, things could happen quickly with an even-up swap. Steven Jackson would be the bone fide second fiddle to LeBron that Mo Williams isn't. I don't like this situation.

Captain_Caveman · Post #11 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:59 am

Even accounting for the contract and his behavior, I would trade for this guy yesterday.

Scalabrine, TA and Giddens. No pick.

As to the contract, it is nice that we have future flexibility, but this is what flexibility is for. Let's be real and admit that we have two more years max on this window, and that max FAs are not gonna rush to sign here if we end up saving up big cap room.

Rondo/House
Allen/Daniels/Walker
Pierce/Jax
KG/Baby/Shelden
Perkins/Sheed

Get it done.

Dogen · Post #12 » by **Dogen** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:06 am

ParticleMan wrote:i think he's a candidate for a deadline deal. we could package tony+scal+JR/Walker and get to within 25% of Jack's salary. i think GS might do it just to get rid of the headache.

I don't agree that he's a candidate for that package. GS will still get more than a few expiring players who likely won't see the floor there. Or will they? It's the Warriors after all.

as for being underpaid, ok maybe pretty damn underpaid was a stretch, but go and find all the players in the league who've scored 20 ppg the last two seasons and make <10mil per this season. [edit: rookie deals aside, of course].

Underpaid? Nah. Plus that contract will be an albatross when he's still getting 9M in three years.

And we don't need him to get 20 ppg here. We need solid contributors, not some 'lil Lord Flaunteroy who whines his way out of a contract that he was lucky to get, all the while acting like some victim/wanna-be-gangsta. Yeah, he'd be great to take Baby and Giddens out on the town for drinks and to get all pimped around the ladies, but he doesn't belong in a Celtics uniform.

SJAX will never where Celtics green, I can guarantee you that. (Back me up on this one, Wyc)

Scalamental · Post #13 » by **Scalamental** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:48 pm

The price to pay to be the nastiest team on the planet... Imagine if we signed him and still had posey... so nasty. Even FIBA would hate us.

Raptor/LakerFan · Post #14 » by **Raptor/LakerFan** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:55 pm

To be fair the Warriors went from being a very good team (albeit for 1 year) to going back to the lottery by making too many stupid moves.
BTW if the Celtics somehow get Jackson without losing any of their starters or Sheed then Lakers vs. Celtics final this year would be the craziest basketball anyone's ever watched.

Dogen · Post #15 » by **Dogen** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:08 pm

Yeah, I think I'll have to contradict myself here.

I don't care for SJax, but if getting him improves our chances of winning the championship this year and next, then it does at least need to be considered. I'm not sold on it, and I don't think the owners are either, but the window is likely open for two more years. I could learn to like the guy as a player if he came ready to win, but the downside is the risk of bringing in a malcontent and then being stuck with him.

As Raptor/LakerFan says, that could make for some crazy basketball!