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OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke

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OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#1 » by campybatman » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:11 pm

I'll provide the quotes that pertain to Boston. All of this is interesting, Zeke contradicts Magic's take left and right. Regardless, whoever is being the most honest, it's surprising to me. I'd long thought Magic and Zeke were the best of friends. But then, it happens... Pippen and Barkley were once friends, now no longer I believe.

You always think of Zeke as a villain, among a lot of former Piston players that were his teammates. But from reading some of his rebuttal comments in this article. I've to wonder: What does Zeke have to gain from spinning this? Perhaps, nothing... Hence, why this tiff (or falling-out) is all the more intriguing to read about.

I'm not going to challenge the credibility of either Magic or Zeke since I don't know the two personally outside of being a fan of the NBA and seeing them play every now and again on TV or through video clips. If any of what Zeke says is true. This is unfortunate. The things people do to sell their book or to gain sympathy or public attention to themselves. I mean there was that article no too long ago highlighting the resentment which resonated in Jordan's speech at the Hall Of Fame enshrinement. Criticizing him, and calling his actions that day petty. The point is: It's odd to read about as true a NBA star player you remember and maybe were a fan of as anything but a high character person. A facade, if you will. Then again, no human is perfect.



Interestingly, Bird has nothing bad to say about Isiah in the book, even though at one time Thomas was accused of saying that Bird was overrated because he was white. Bird, who is now president of the Indiana Pacers, fired Thomas as coach in 2003.

"Let's be real. I'm not going to say the things Magic said in private about Larry, but I do know the public stance he's taken [in becoming Bird's friend]," Thomas said. I know that's not how he felt about Larry Bird. Magic hated Larry, and he tried to make other people hate Larry. Magic was no friend of Larry Bird's during that time. And his Laker teammates will tell you that. And I'm sure they've got to be disgusted with the way he's carried on with this whole me-and-Larry bull.''

But that's another twist, as reported in detail by When The Game Was Ours: that the sport's most famous rivals -- Magic and Bird, who once considered each other enemies -- have grown to be friends, while the opposite has become of the relationship between Magic and Thomas, who famously greeted each other with a kiss on the cheek before each game of the '88 Finals, even as their friendship was souring.

The book tells the story of how Thomas and Mark Aguirre consoled Magic in his Boston hotel room as he stared out the window watching fans celebrating in the street after the Celtics beat the Lakers in Game 7 of the 1984 NBA Finals. Three years later in the same city, Thomas threw away Game 5 of the Eastern Conference finals when Bird intercepted his inbounds pass and converted the steal to Dennis Johnson for the game-winning layup. When told that Magic now recalls engaging in an hours-long soul-searching conversation with him after that horrible loss, Thomas sounded skeptical. After a long pause, he said, "Sure. That could have been possible.

"The guy who reached out to me after that play was a Celtic and it was Bill Russell,'' added Thomas, who took the call from Russell the day after the game. "I was down dead on my knees after that play. He just called me up and said, 'Hey, we all make the mistakes, you've got to keep playing.' And he said it the way only he could say it. You know who else reached out to me? M.L. Carr [a former Boston teammate of Bird's]. For as hard as we played against the Celtics, I think we had a very personal relationship with them. They admired that we were trying to be like them. And we all said, to this day, they were the team that taught us, and everything the Pistons were, we took from their playbook.''


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... gic/1.html
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#2 » by tombattor » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:19 pm

It's pretty interesting... One thing I did get out of all this is that Bill Russell is the MAN!!!
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#3 » by kgnwally » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:16 pm

if that is true about magic johnson than he really seems like a manipulating money hungry ****. i always had this positive picture of magic johnson in my head but for some reason Isiah Thomas doesnt seem to have any motivation to make that stuff up, magic on the other hand(money money money) clearly does... this should be interesting as to how it unfolds.
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#4 » by DelMonte West » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:46 pm

I think Magic's reputation is as close to unassailable as they get. Barring something completely humiliating and out of left field, he will always remain the smiling, affable, endearing poster boy of good sportsmanship and the ideal PR man for the league. He also has public sympathy on his side for what he's had to go through with the HIV ordeal (when that bomb was dropped, it seemed like everyone thought he would only be alive for another year or two).

I like him as an ambassador, but it wouldn't surprise me if most of what he's said over the years has been what everyone wants to hear.
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#5 » by campybatman » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:12 pm

Exactly. What does Zeke have to gain from disputing the things Magic has attest to about Thomas as factual in the book.

The part in the article I'd found the most unsettling was when Zeke revealed that he'd a brother who has died from having HIV, and for Magic to say that Zeke spread rumors that questioned his sexuality after contracting HIV. I don't know... I would find it tough morally to lie about having a family member die that way. So it'll be too convenient for Zeke to make that up on the spot. You're an amoral person then.

Zeke is right to feel betrayed and upset over this but his anger is drawing attention to the book, and that will only help sell it.
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#6 » by sully00 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:05 pm

Of course Magic hated Larry that was the whole point. They did hate each other but out of that grew respect for reach other and eventually finding away to make money off of it.

Magic's perspective on a lot of things probably change just a bit when he found out he had a disease that would likely kill him. He always said that the first players in the league he told were Larry and MJ (no more McD's commercials boys). Fortunately for him it wasn't Karl Malone.

To be fair to Isiah he didn't make the comments about Larry "just being another guy" if he was "black." Dennis Rodman did and I believe it was in reference to him having to defend him. The media went to Isiah with "Dennis said ..." and Zeke simply agreed with his teammate's assessment.
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#7 » by BakersDozen » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:49 pm

I do think alot of the time it gets lost in the shuffle that Rodman was the one who originally made that statement not Zeke. Ill be picking this book up in a couple weeks.
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#8 » by Scalamental » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:01 pm

I almost ran out to grab this book until I found out it doesn't come out till november.
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#9 » by Alan Ogg » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:35 pm

Scalamental wrote:I almost ran out to grab this book until I found out it doesn't come out till november.



I believe I saw it at Borders a few days ago, actually.
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#10 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:22 am

sully00 wrote:
To be fair to Isiah he didn't make the comments about Larry "just being another guy" if he was "black." Dennis Rodman did and I believe it was in reference to him having to defend him. The media went to Isiah with "Dennis said ..." and Zeke simply agreed with his teammate's assessment.


I'd go further and say Zeke was rolling his eyes at the time. (And if my memory isn't playing tricks on me, I saw that press conference.)

It's the unfairest knock Zeke has ever gotten.
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Re: OT: New book by Magic & Bird upset Zeke 

Post#11 » by Scalamental » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:20 am

Alan Ogg wrote:
Scalamental wrote:I almost ran out to grab this book until I found out it doesn't come out till november.



I believe I saw it at Borders a few days ago, actually.


I swear on pti i heard nov. 4th was its release.

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