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Wojnarowski: Rondo at odds with the vets? 

Post#1 » by Tirion » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:40 am

Voj is a douche and a Lakers jockrider, so take this with a grain of salt, but it explains why Celts tried to trade Rondo in the offseason:

Rondo appeared to want his teammates to air out complaints in the early evening of April 14, but it rapidly deteriorated into a grievance session that had the uncomfortable vibe of the young guys against the Big 3 of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce(notes) and Ray Allen(notes). For some Celtics, there was a sense that Rondo had prodded the younger teammates to speak out on the tough-love tactics of the vets.

Rondo never vented, but one teammate who had challenged K.G. later confessed privately that he wished he had never spoken up, that he didn’t even believe the whiny words tumbling out of his mouth. Rondo insists he had the best of intentions, and yet there’s no mistaking the fact the meeting served to widen a gulf between him and his older teammates.

Rivers didn’t reveal the meeting to Yahoo! Sports, but was honest about its consequences. Rondo has come a long way from April, when there were influential members of the organization – from front office to the floor – who wondered about his agenda, who thought the wildly talented point guard was sometimes too smart for the greater good of the team. In this preseason, the sturdiness and consistency of his leadership has overwhelmed any lingering skepticism in the front office, coaching staff and locker room.


Shades of young Isiah in Rajon, both good and bad.

Rondo played brilliant ball in the playoffs, but Celtics general manager Danny Ainge still shopped him in summer trade talks. His intent was likely less to actually move Rondo and far more to shake him up. Rondo is smart and strong-minded, and sometimes his stubbornness could complicate cohesion.

Within the team, there was a sense the three biggest stars – Garnett, Pierce and Allen – had all made sacrifices to solidify the Celtics as a champion. As much as Rondo might want it to be considered the Big 4, the question would linger: What had he given up?


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns
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Post#2 » by Wolves2011 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:56 am

Buried in the article...

Rondo a near Max Contract:

"Rondo can be a restricted free agent next summer and undoubtedly could command near a maximum contract – especially should LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh – re-sign with their own teams.
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Re: Wojnarowski: Rondo at odds with the vets? 

Post#3 » by Wolves2011 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:10 am

Tirion wrote:Voj is a douche and a Lakers jockrider, so take this with a grain of salt, but it explains why Celts tried to trade Rondo in the offseason:

Rondo appeared to want his teammates to air out complaints in the early evening of April 14, but it rapidly deteriorated into a grievance session that had the uncomfortable vibe of the young guys against the Big 3 of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce(notes) and Ray Allen(notes). For some Celtics, there was a sense that Rondo had prodded the younger teammates to speak out on the tough-love tactics of the vets.

Rondo never vented, but one teammate who had challenged K.G. later confessed privately that he wished he had never spoken up, that he didn’t even believe the whiny words tumbling out of his mouth. Rondo insists he had the best of intentions, and yet there’s no mistaking the fact the meeting served to widen a gulf between him and his older teammates.

Rivers didn’t reveal the meeting to Yahoo! Sports, but was honest about its consequences. Rondo has come a long way from April, when there were influential members of the organization – from front office to the floor – who wondered about his agenda, who thought the wildly talented point guard was sometimes too smart for the greater good of the team. In this preseason, the sturdiness and consistency of his leadership has overwhelmed any lingering skepticism in the front office, coaching staff and locker room.


Shades of young Isiah in Rajon, both good and bad.

Rondo played brilliant ball in the playoffs, but Celtics general manager Danny Ainge still shopped him in summer trade talks. His intent was likely less to actually move Rondo and far more to shake him up. Rondo is smart and strong-minded, and sometimes his stubbornness could complicate cohesion.

Within the team, there was a sense the three biggest stars – Garnett, Pierce and Allen – had all made sacrifices to solidify the Celtics as a champion. As much as Rondo might want it to be considered the Big 4, the question would linger: What had he given up?


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns


One thing I find interesting in retrospect was how much the young guys "stepped up" in the playoffs after they had gotten things off their chests, with the veterans.

BBD, Rondo, Perkins defending Howard.... etc....they all played great.

If we had gotten by Orlando, it would have been the young guys stepping up not the "great" play of Pierce and Ray... who both were up and down.
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Post#4 » by Scalamental » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:18 am

It's amazing how a guy can go from humble solid kid who gets along well with most of the team to... Isiah Thomas. Wojnarowski is usually pretty on the ball, but come on:
Rondo never vented, but one teammate who had challenged K.G. later confessed privately that he wished he had never spoken up, that he didn’t even believe the whiny words tumbling out of his mouth. Rondo insists he had the best of intentions, and yet there’s no mistaking the fact the meeting served to widen a gulf between him and his older teammates.


Where's he geting this stuff?
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Post#5 » by Wolves2011 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:28 am

Scalamental wrote:It's amazing how a guy can go from humble solid kid who gets along well with most of the team to... Isiah Thomas. Wojnarowski is usually pretty on the ball, but come on:
Rondo never vented, but one teammate who had challenged K.G. later confessed privately that he wished he had never spoken up, that he didn’t even believe the whiny words tumbling out of his mouth. Rondo insists he had the best of intentions, and yet there’s no mistaking the fact the meeting served to widen a gulf between him and his older teammates.


Where's he geting this stuff?


What do you want to bet that one guy who confronted KG was Big Baby, about being totally embarassed that one time when KG made BBD cry?
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Post#6 » by Ricky ROY Rubio » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:30 am

lol at rondo getting a max extension.
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Post#7 » by sully00 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:00 am

It is a total lock that Big Baby was the one who spoke up, and let Woj know that Rondo bitched out after he lit the fire and Ray was staring lazer beams through the back of his head.

But like I said in the other thread, Rondo thought he was doing the right thing unlike what was being leaked about him tuning people out and showing late for games, he is trying to be a leader I am sure Ray and KG made mistakes too.

That said what is it going to take for guys to listen to Doc. He is as player a coach as you can get, why not just trust him.
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Post#8 » by GregB » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:06 am

I really don't see what the big deal is. We didn't win last year because weren't healthy. It's really that simple. This is just an insider fluff piece. We are talking about pampered prima donna millionaire athletes. Is it really all that surprising that they don't always get along?
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Post#9 » by Wolves2011 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:33 am

sully00 wrote:It is a total lock that Big Baby was the one who spoke up, and let Woj know that Rondo bitched out after he lit the fire and Ray was staring lazer beams through the back of his head.

But like I said in the other thread, Rondo thought he was doing the right thing unlike what was being leaked about him tuning people out and showing late for games, he is trying to be a leader I am sure Ray and KG made mistakes too.

That said what is it going to take for guys to listen to Doc. He is as player a coach as you can get, why not just trust him.


my guess is that Rondo's agent leaked it....

it undercuts the argument made by Ainge and Doc that Rondo is just immature.....

It actually takes some maturity to do what Rondo did.... and it might have helped in the longer run as was discussed at the end of the article.....but it did peave the Big 3. And Rondo was blamed for being the instigator.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Rondo's agent leaked it to explain, what seemed like inexplicable hostility to Rondo just after "his" great post season performance had ended.

This article helps Rondo's market value in my view.

If he could get more than $12.5 million, he would.

He is the type of guy I want on my team. A leader who wants to iron out underlying anger.

Rondo as a young player probably heard, younger guys like BBD grumbling about KG and the rest of the Big 3. He wanted to clear the air.

It should have been done under the supervision of "team shrink" to keep things positive in terms of feedback. [The meeting itself wasn't a bad idea, but team management should have been involved to keep feedback focused in positive ways and prevent any overt hostility from erupting.]

I would guess, guys like KG, Pierce and Ray heard things they needed to hear, but had never been told before. Both KG and Pierce in particular have had plenty of locker room controversy in the past.

and like I said earlier, it did help the younger guys.

Rondo, BBD and Perk all had very good playoff series.
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Post#10 » by return2glory » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:26 am

Ricky ROY Rubio wrote:lol at rondo getting a max extension.


LMAO at Ricky Rubio becoming ROY.
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Post#11 » by cloverleaf » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:07 am

I gotta say, I could understand Rondo wanting to get his super-intense veteran star player to stop making a young 2nd-year player cry.
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Post#12 » by sully00 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:50 pm

No way Rondo and his agent want this out there. As a one time instance it will not matter but if it happens again then he will start to get the clubhouse cancer label.

Within the team, there was a sense the three biggest stars – Garnett, Pierce and Allen – had all made sacrifices to solidify the Celtics as a champion. As much as Rondo might want it to be considered the Big 4, the question would linger: What had he given up?


I don't know how they overcome this dynamic. Boston just added Sheed and Daniels at a 3rd of their previous salary. Perk makes 4 million bucks. Pierce is talking about taking less money so they can take care of both Rondo and Ray or add more help to the roster. It may not be fair, Rondo hasn't gotten his yet, but life isn't always fair. If Rondo wants to keep his job, PG of the Boston Celtics, he may have to take less than he may think he is worth to make that happen.

But more important than that is how he handles not getting an extension done. Right now Doc, Danny, and Rondo are all saying the right things and his agent isn't talking at all so in some ways no news is good news maybe it gets done in the next week. But he is got to put the contract thing behind him once the season kicks off, his teammates are not going to want to hear it. He cannot be pulling the FA tour and talking about how he would love to play in "enter NBA city" on every road trip and he can't get his feathers ruffled (either can Ray for that matter) about his name being in trade rumors everyday. Boston is the place that big time names in bad situations are going to want to go to and they are the package that likely would have to go the other way.
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Post#13 » by Wolves2011 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:51 pm

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Within the team, there was a sense the three biggest stars – Garnett, Pierce and Allen – had all made sacrifices to solidify the Celtics as a champion. As much as Rondo might want it to be considered the Big 4, the question would linger: What had he given up?


I don't know how they overcome this dynamic. Boston just added Sheed and Daniels at a 3rd of their previous salary. Perk makes 4 million bucks. Pierce is talking about taking less money so they can take care of both Rondo and Ray or add more help to the roster. It may not be fair, Rondo hasn't gotten his yet, but life isn't always fair. If Rondo wants to keep his job, PG of the Boston Celtics, he may have to take less than he may think he is worth to make that happen.



What KG, Pierce and Allen have given up, is SHOTS!!

I've been arguing for weeks, that Rondo has also given up shots to play with the Celtics.

If he was on another team, without 3 hall of famers, he'd be shooting much more. Those additional shots and assists would guarantee him a Max contract.

THE BIG 3 HAVEN'T GIVEN UP ANY MONEY

KG lifetime earnings - through last season - $234 million with $56.4 million more in next 3 seasons.

Pierce - $104 million with $41.3 million more in the next 2 seasons.

Ray - $139 million, with $19.8 million more this year.

Rondo - $4 million with $2.6 million more this year.

So to summarize

KG - $290 Million

Pierce - $145 million

Ray - $149 million

Rondo - say $7 million rounded up.

Who deserves more money for bringing us #17.......

If I was Rondo, I'd tell them to close their hypocritical mouthes........
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Post#14 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:58 pm

This is all BS blown up stories when someone is going through a contract situation. Par for the course. Danny Ainge is probably rolling his eyes at this story. :roll:

Means absolutely nothing.
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Post#15 » by sunshinekids99 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:23 pm

I'm really getting tired of this Rondo crap. And makes me feel stronger on my opinion that they should have moved on from him.
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Post#16 » by Wolves2011 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:26 pm

sunshinekids99 wrote:I'm really getting tired of this Rondo crap. And makes me feel stronger on my opinion that they should have moved on from him.


If Ainge isn't going to give him his money, he should have traded him last summer.

But "bad mouthing" him was a poor way to increase his trade value.

So I doubt Ainge was serious about trading him.

But Ainge is likely to lose rondo, with no compensation if he doesn't pay him.
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Post#17 » by Bad-Thoma » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:35 pm

Why does anybody even get worked up by media pieces? W/L. Look at our W/L from the last couple years, even with the injury situation last year. Yeah, there's really some chemistry problems around here, lol. I don't how this team will survive.

The sports media takes anything they can get their slimy hands on and turns it into a story. W/L tells the truth because the ball don't lie.
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Post#18 » by sully00 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:42 pm

If Rajon Rondo was a Grizzly only basketball junkies would know who he was. He would be somewhere between Mike Conley or a healthy TJ Ford. More opportunities isn't what Rondo wants or needs, you don't understand the player for as much as you honk him. He wants assists not points he is not a scorer, if he wants more shots stop passing up open ones. But this all is the "if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle" argument Rondo is on this team and his value is what he does for it.

Rondo was ineffective for much of the '07 postseason, frequently replaced by an ineffective Sam Cassell and Eddie House. He doesn't deserve anything for being in the right place at the right time.

Like I said life isn't fair and the Boston Celtics aren't all about Rajon Rondo, like the Wolves, Celtics, and Sonics were all about their respective star when they got their max contracts. For the next two seasons Rondo's value is defined but what he means to the Boston Celtics and if that isn't enough he can leave in two years for parts unkown.
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Post#19 » by Wolves2011 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:29 pm

sully00 wrote: For the next two seasons Rondo's value is defined but what he means to the Boston Celtics and if that isn't enough he can leave in two years for parts unkown.


Only for THIS SEASON..... unless Ainge matches a big contract next summer.

Rondo plays for someone else in 2010-2011.

According to Adrian Wojnarowski from yahoo, Rondo is worth a "near" max contract.
And it wasn't clear if he meant, $12.5 which is his estimated max for next season or $14.4, which is max for someone with his years of experience now.

On ESPN: Marc Stein:

"The reality, though, is that Rondo -- barring a slip in production that roughly no one in the NBA expects -- is headed for a substantial payday if he winds up as a member of the 2010 free-agent class.

Rondo would be part of that class as a restricted free agent, true, but at worst that means he’d likely be forced to sign an offer sheet with one of the many teams that have positioned themselves to have significant salary-cap space next July and then return to the Celtics if the offer sheet is matched. Some team out there will inevitably test Boston's resolve if it gets that far.

“It’s not the worst situation,” one Rondo confidante insists. “He will get paid. It won’t affect him if he has to wait. He is fearless.” "

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... y-fearless

Per Ford ESPN:

Extensions for class of 2003 - 16
Extensions for class of 2004 - 10
Extensions for class of 2005 - 7
Extensions for class of 2006 - 3 [Bargagni, Roy, Aldridge]

Quote from Ford: "The Celtics' Rajon Rondo has become a potential All-Star after just three years in the league. However, head coach Doc Rivers and GM Danny Ainge have been pretty harsh toward Rondo over the course of the summer. The Celtics actually attempted to trade Rondo before the draft.

While there's still a chance that the two sides agree to an extension, a source close to the process told me it's unlikely. Rondo wants All-Star money and the Celtics aren't convinced he'll handle a five-year guaranteed deal well. It’s a classic maturity-vs.-talent battle that the Celtics may ultimately lose. "

Link - http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... lass-of-06

Rondo is gone unless Ainge wants to match what is almost certain to be a Max or near Max contract.
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Post#20 » by ryaningf » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:40 pm

sully00 wrote:Rondo was ineffective for much of the '07 postseason, frequently replaced by an ineffective Sam Cassell and Eddie House. He doesn't deserve anything for being in the right place at the right time.


Not quite true, Sully. Rondo was pretty dominating AT HOME during the 08' postseason; don't forget the 2 series changing 3s Rondo hit in Game 5 against the Cavs (starting when we were down 14), or that he absolutely dominated the 'ship clinching game 6 win against the Lakers. Rondo was ineffective on the road in the postseason that year (like most of his teammates), but we actually played a majority of our games at home, so it's incorrect to say he was ineffective for 'much' of that postseason.

And it's not a question of being in the right place at the right time--Rondo was the PERFECT point guard for that team, and he's the perfect point guard for this team.

All this article shows is that Rondo was TRYING to be a leader, but there's more to leadership than trying to stage a player's meeting...for young players especially you 'lead' on the court, and in your play, and how you attack your craft...that's leadership, and there's no 'try' in that, only 'do'--which is what Doc was getting at when he said player's meetings never work...that's fake leadership, TRYING instead of doing. Rondo learned a lesson, and from everything he's shown this preseason, he's grown tremendously.

I'm not worried if the extension doesn't get done--I'm convinced it won't affect Rondo at all, and I'm also convinced that DA will end up paying what it takes to resign him in 2010. You don't dare Rondo to prove he's worth the max without contemplating paying him the max if he proves it to you...if Danny lets this period of negotiation go by, it's because he's prepared for whatever transpires between now and summer 2010.
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