Lifetime earnings of Big 3 vs Rondo

Wolves2011 · Post #1 » by **Wolves2011** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:04 pm

Below find potential earning from all past and current contracts of the Big 3 and Rondo.

Some say Rondo must make financial sacrifices for the Celtics.

Don't see any financial sacrifices by the Big 3,

Quite the Contrary.......KG especially has made a boat load of money.
[The Big 3 have all made a boat load of money but KG is about double Pierce or Ray]

KG lifetime earnings - through last season - $234 million with $56.4 million more in next 3 seasons.

Pierce - $104 million with $41.3 million more in the next 2 seasons.

Ray - $139 million, with $19.8 million more this year.

Rondo - $4 million with $2.6 million more this year.

So to summarize

KG - $290 Million

Pierce - $145 million

Ray - $149 million

Rondo - say $7 million rounded up.

Who deserves more money for bringing us #17.......

cloverleaf · Post #2 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:29 pm

Those guys were paid in a competitive market for what they've done over the years (not just for #17)--and Rondo will be paid in the same fashion.

Wolves2011 · Post #3 » by **Wolves2011** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:33 pm

cloverleaf wrote:Those guys were paid in a competitive market for what they've done over the years (not just for #17)--and Rondo will be paid in the same fashion.

Some on this site and elsewhere have suggested that Rondo should make financial sacrifices for more championships as the Big 3 made sacrifices.

I don't see any financial sacrifices by the big 3.

Rondo should look to be paid in a competitive NBA labor market next summer when he is a restricted free agent.

He deserves his money like others have gotten theirs.

No Rondo discounts.....

Post #4 » by **sully00** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:04 pm

It isn't about discounts. You talk about Rondo being paid like he scores 18ppg because he could do that somewhere else. If Rondo wants an extension a year perhaps two earlier than what the competitive market can give him it would be less than the most he could possibly make. Right now Rondo gets paid for 12ppg and 8 apg.

JSABleedsGreen · Post #5 » by **JSABleedsGreen** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:09 pm

hahahahaha wolves you just don't quit do you. I swear you are either Rondo's agent, You are Rondo or you just have the biggest and gayest crush on Rondo. I'm just teasing but seriously....

I don't think Rondo should take a paycut. When i think of paycut i think of someone making 20+ million a year. that's a paycut or "hometown discount". Rondo should definitely be paid what he's worth and we all know that's it's much more than what he's getting now.

BUT.......

As you and I have previously written back and forth. My views don't change....$12+ million for him at this point in his career is not the correct amount he's worth. Rondo is worth anywhere between $8 and $10 million a year but not $12. He's not there yet, not until he improves that jumper and horrendous free throws. Once he does though watch out....he'll be a force to be reakon with and ... he'll command max money and get it too. BUT not right now.

Wolves2011 · Post #6 » by **Wolves2011** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:24 pm

JSABleedsGreen wrote:hahahahaha wolves you just don't quit do you. I swear you are either Rondo's agent, You are Rondo or you just have the biggest and gayest crush on Rondo. I'm just teasing but seriously....

I don't think Rondo should take a paycut. When i think of paycut i think of someone making 20+ million a year. that's a paycut or "hometown discount". Rondo should definitely be paid what he's worth and we all know that's it's much more than what he's getting now.

BUT.......

As you and I have previously written back and forth. My views don't change....$12+ million for him at this point in his career is not the correct amount he's worth. Rondo is worth anywhere between $8 and $10 million a year but not $12. He's not there yet, not until he improves that jumper and horrendous free throws. Once he does though watch out....he'll be a force to be reakon with and ... he'll command max money and get it too. BUT not right now.

According to Adrian Wojnarowski from yahoo, Rondo is worth a "near" max contract.
And it wasn't clear if he meant, $12.5 which is his estimated max for next season or $14.4, which is max for someone with his years of experience now.

On ESPN:

Marc Stein: "The reality, though, is that Rondo -- barring a slip in production that roughly no one in the NBA expects -- is headed for a substantial payday if he winds up as a member of the 2010 free-agent class.

Rondo would be part of that class as a restricted free agent, true, but at worst that means he’d likely be forced to sign an offer sheet with one of the many teams that have positioned themselves to have significant salary-cap space next July and then return to the Celtics if the offer sheet is matched. Some team out there will inevitably test Boston's resolve if it gets that far.

“It’s not the worst situation,” one Rondo confidante insists. “He will get paid. It won’t affect him if he has to wait. He is fearless.” "

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... y-fearless

Per Ford ESPN:

Extensions for class of 2003 - 16
Extensions for class of 2004 - 10
Extensions for class of 2005 - 7
Extensions for class of 2006 - 3 [Bargagni, Roy, Aldridge]

Quote from Ford: "The Celtics' Rajon Rondo has become a potential All-Star after just three years in the league. However, head coach Doc Rivers and GM Danny Ainge have been pretty harsh toward Rondo over the course of the summer. The Celtics actually attempted to trade Rondo before the draft.

While there's still a chance that the two sides agree to an extension, a source close to the process told me it's unlikely. Rondo wants All-Star money and the Celtics aren't convinced he'll handle a five-year guaranteed deal well. It’s a classic maturity-vs.-talent battle that the Celtics may ultimately lose. "

Link - http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... lass-of-06

SonicYouth34 · Post #7 » by **SonicYouth34** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:52 pm

Damn. KG's loaded, not to mention all the money from Gatorade and Addidas. I know who I'd go to get some dough.

Zin5 · Post #8 » by **Zin5** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:16 am

Seriously dude, we get it, you're pessimistic and you love Rondo. You don't need to keep making threads and unprompted posts about your opinion. One's plenty.

And seriously, can he make the all star game before he's anointed a max contract.

IgotCrossed · Post #9 » by **IgotCrossed** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:29 am

Actually for two contracts extensions in a row KG has taken a significant paycut. You're just looking at the total and assume that he hasn't sacrificed from his potential maximum earnings.

I agree with JSA, you have to be either Rondo's agent or Rondo himself.

AlCelticFan · Post #10 » by **AlCelticFan** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:52 pm

People like Wolves2011 are what make this forum great. I was starting to think this place was dieing.

You need a mix of different kinds of posters to keep things interesting.

Post #11 » by **Spin Move** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:27 pm

Rondo does not deserve a max contract, if someone wants to give him one and they have some good contracts we do a sign and trade chris paul is the only PG in the nba worth the max, PG is not what it used to be, look at the pg's on the teams thats have won titles since 92.....the majority have had average at best point guards.

Rondo is worth 8-10 million a year, he is an above average PG, he might if he has dramticallyy improved his J be worth 12 a year but not a max that will be paying him 18 mill + by the end of the deal almost no pg is and as long as other teams dont respect his J he is worth less then 10 million.

DorfonCeltics · Post #12 » by **DorfonCeltics** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:06 pm

AlCelticFan wrote:People like Wolves2011 are what make this forum great. I was starting to think this place was dieing. You need a mix of different kinds of posters to keep things interesting.

Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite. Dude is straight annoying. He's like that little cousin who keeps tugging at your pant leg asking you stupid questions. I've literally read the original post in like three different threads on RealGM. Give it up kid, your shtick is played.

GregB · Post #13 » by **GregB** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:44 pm

DorfonCeltics wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:People like Wolves2011 are what make this forum great. I was starting to think this place was dieing. You need a mix of different kinds of posters to keep things interesting.

Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite. Dude is straight annoying. He's like that little cousin who keeps tugging at your pant leg asking you stupid questions. I've literally read the original post in like three different threads on RealGM. Give it up kid, your shtick is played.

Exactly,

This forum is declining because of threads like these. This forum has lost a lot of great posters and the quality of this board has really gone down hill. This forum was the best when we sucked as a team. Now that we are winning, We have all these annoying fanboy bandwagon frontrunning fans. Which has driven away a lot of good posters.

Wolves2011 · Post #14 » by **Wolves2011** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:48 pm

DorfonCeltics wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:People like Wolves2011 are what make this forum great. I was starting to think this place was dieing. You need a mix of different kinds of posters to keep things interesting.

Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite. Dude is straight annoying. He's like that little cousin who keeps tugging at your pant leg asking you stupid questions. I've literally read the original post in like three different threads on RealGM. Give it up kid, your shtick is played.

Don't read and don't respond. Thats the great thing about blogs. You get to write about what interests you.

If you don't like this topic read something else.

I'm having fun.... :lol:

bostonfan34 · Post #15 » by **bostonfan34** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:28 pm

Well, this isn't a blog. But that's not the point...

You point at what the Big 3 have made throughout their career - the problem is that with all of those contracts, they were well-known as the franchise player for their respective teams, AND they had better production since their rookie year than Rondo has ever had. Right now, we're in the midst of a pretty special run with some remarkably talented players, and sure, Rondo can squeeze every dollar he wants out of the market and go to some piece of crap team and be The Man, or he can take maybe a bit of a discount and stay here with this core, and build his legacy.

Wolves2011 · Post #16 » by **Wolves2011** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:47 pm

bostonfan34 wrote:
The Big 3 had better production since their rookie year than Rondo has ever had.

Lets examine your statement that each of the Big 3 have had better production since their rookie years....

Comparing win shares for Big 3 and Rondo in the first 3 years of their careers.

We look at offensive, defensive and total win shares.

PIERCE HAD THE BEST START FOLLOWED BY RONDO as you can see below.

For each player - Year, offensive win share, defensive wins share and total win share

Pierce
98-99 2.9, 2.0, 4.9
99-00 5.2, 3.0, 8.2
00-01 6.9, 3.5, 10.4

Rondo
06-07 -0.1, 2.6, 2.4
07-08 2.3, 4.9, 7.2
08-09 4.8, 5.1, 9.9

Kevin Garnett
95-96 1.8, 2.6, 4.4
96-97 3.4, 3.9, 7.3
97-98 5.3, 4.2, 9.6

Ray
96-97 3.3, 1.5, 4.9
97-98 4.7, 2.3, 7.0
98-99 4.2, 1.1, 5.2

bostonfan34 · Post #17 » by **bostonfan34** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:51 pm

Oh, so winshares is the sole way to judge players? I wonder what Paul, KG, and Ray's WS would have been as young players if they were on a team as talented as this one?

Wolves2011 · Post #18 » by **Wolves2011** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:48 pm

bostonfan34 wrote:Oh, so winshares is the sole way to judge players? I wonder what Paul, KG, and Ray's WS would have been as young players if they were on a team as talented as this one?

I wanted something OBJECTIVE.

Wins shares and wins produced include both offensive and defensive performance.

I had the data for that period for win shares, so I used it.

As for your question, how Pierce, KG and Ray would have done on a team as good as ours, I have no idea.

To quote, another New England coach... "it is, what it is". .....

I can speculate that Rondo's offensive performance on a "bad" team like the Big 3 each played on early in their careers, would help Rondo's offensive peformance, since he would get more possessions and shots.

But speculation is "hand waving".

The performance for the first 3 years of each of their careers shows Rondo with the second best performance.... I doubt you expected that.......

bostonfan34 · Post #19 » by **bostonfan34** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:01 pm

He averaged 12 points and 8 assists a game. Let that soak in. I don't know what your obsession is. None of this is taking into account his personality issues.

famadihana · Post #20 » by **famadihana** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:43 pm

Wolves2011 wrote:I wanted something OBJECTIVE.

There is nothing objective about this.

KG, Pierce, and Ray started off on teams that weren't good. Teams that aren't good don't get many wins. Thus, they don't have high win shares. However, Rondo started on a good team. Good teams win a lot of games. Thus, he has more of an opportunity to get win shares.

You're absolutely nuts if you think that Rondo has had a better start to his career than KG, Pierce, or Allen.