Why are the Rondo negotiations happening NOW!!

[Wolves2011]

Why are the Rondo negotiations happening now... so late in the game... because Ainge finally understands what I've been saying for a month.

I've said right along, from when I started posting, that we should offer Rondo $10 million now, which Maxwell said he would take, to save money or keep from losing Rondo.

I have repeatedly said that other teams will offer Rondo a max or near max contract next summer, and I've seen 4 prominent NBA analysts who agree,

We will then be obligated to match the offer or lose Rondo with no compensation.

Ainge is following my script....

lets hope that Cornbread Maxwell is right about what Rondo will accept.

[Note; there are a number of people on this board who have said we should offer Rondo $8 million and no more.....]

also most couldn't see the problem if we let rondo get to free agency......

THAT IT ONLY TAKES ONE TEAM TO MAKE A HIGH OFFER AND WE ARE 999999

This is the type of thing Ainge is worried about

and its what I HAVE BEEN POSTING RIGHT ALONG

Read the blog below ...

Why do I think Ainge is worried about what is said below by Pelton?
Because it is written by the same insider who heard about the Rondo negotiations...and came up with this as a theory for the negotiations...he is the Celtic insider on the Rondo negotiations.

http://greenstreet.weei.com/ -- see Rondo article...

excerpt...

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Posted on Green Street Blog...

Basketball Prospectus’ Kevin Pelton makes an interesting point. If the big stars of the 2010 free agent class decide to stay with their respective teams, what’s to stop one of those teams hoarding cap space from making a strong run at Rondo, even if he’s restricted? Say, the Knicks, who have a crying need for a run and gun point guard to handle Mike D’Antoni’s system. True, the Celtics could match but that would probably at an inflated price.

Of the members of the 2006 draft class who have signed extensions, only Roy got a so-called “max” deal. Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnowksi reported that Aldridge signed a deal in the $65-70 million range. Bargani got a few million less than that annually.

Whether Rondo signs an extension or not may come down to a question of value. Using the two Portland deals as a barometer is Rondo a “max” player that you build your franchise around like Roy, or an Aldridge player; i.e. a second star?
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so by implication Pelton is saying Rondo is somewhere between Max and near Max... bracketed by Roy and Aldridge.

Rondo is offering to take even less than Aldridge, NOW...so outside the parameters Pelton has set for what other teams would offer Rondo in free agency...

Rondo is asking for $55 to $60 million, Ainge is offering $45 and says he will move up.

Roy's deal is $82 million and Aldridge's is $65 to $70 million - Pelton says these are the parameters in free agency, somewhere between $65 million and $82 million.

and the "insider" who broke the Rondo negiations is quoting Pelton....

This is what Ainge fears...

[Captain_Caveman]

The Oct 31st deadline is completely typical, if not the norm, for contract extensions.

Too much risk on both sides.

[sunshinekids99]

Cause the deadline is the 31st? Come on man...

[Kefa461]

Both sides have been talking for weeks.........

[3pt %]

wolves, calm down.. its all getting a bit old.

[DorfonCeltics]

Another freaking thread from Wolves on Rondo. Hey everybody, I'm right and you are wrong. Look at me, look at me. This guy needs to be banned now.

[Wolves2011]

Another freaking thread from Wolves on Rondo. Hey everybody, I'm right and you are wrong. Look at me, look at me. This guy needs to be banned now.

so what you espouse is mediocrity.... don't be right, just follow the crowd....

I'm a risk taker like BOTH Ainge and Rondo.....

Why the negotiations are happening now after Rondo, Rondo's agent and Ainge said there were no negotiations - For weeks - is an important question.

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I think Ainge finally realizes that he could either:

1) have to pay much more in the summer for rondo **

2) lose Rondo, with no compensation, if he doesn't want to match a "high" offer

If we lose Rondo with NO compensation, forget any future championships with the Big 3.

We can't get guard to replace Rondo with the mid-level exception.

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** DON'T FORGET, RONDO IS WORTH EVEN MORE TO OTHER TEAMS THAN THE CELTICS-

1) if a team RUNS like the knicks, Rondo is an ideal fit and has more value, since the Celtics are an old team that doesn't run much.

2) if a team needs more of a PG SHOT CREATOR, rondo has more value than he does with the Celtics good passing veterans. Rondo's passing skills are worth more to a team, without KG, Ray, Pierce and even Perk is a very good passer.

Rondo is worth more to other teams than to us.

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We are far better off paying now, than waiting for summer and paying even more or losing him.

[Banks2Pierce]

OH man, you're so right. I'm sure Ainge JUST realized yesterday how much he likes Rondo.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

At this point, I'm hoping they sign Rondo only so I don't have to read another "SIGN RONDO NOW" thread from the OP. The last time I saw someone this annoying in terms of posting the same gawddamn thing veiled in different threads was Curmudgeon and his hate for Paul Pierce.

[ryaningf]

This is starting to get ridiculous

WHY are the negotiations happening now? Not because of some epiphany from Ainge, nor anything written by the OP--but because there's a week before the extension deadline and there was really no reason before now to engage in intense negotiations.

Ainge used the 3 weeks of training camp to see how the fire he lit under Rondo ass was progressing. So far, so good, so Ainge makes a reasonable offer of 9 million per over 5 years. If Rondo doesn't like it, or can't come down from his 12 million per year perch, then Ainge is fully prepared to go next summer with Rondo as a restricted free agent. All along, Ainge has been willing to pay market price for Rondo (which is why he offered 9 million per yesterday), and he'll still be willing to go market price for him next summer, even if he vaults himself to 12 million per year.

This is part of the negotiation process and to infer that Ainge 'all of a sudden' had a realization that he was sleeping on Rondo's extension...well...that's just not very credible, nor an accurate assessment of Ainge's time as GM here in Boston...this guy doesn't sleep on anything, he's always doing his homework, formulating a plan, and putting that plan in action...making Rondo an offer at this point in time was part of the plan all along.

[Wolves2011]

This is starting to get ridiculous

WHY are the negotiations happening now? Not because of some epiphany from Ainge, nor anything written by the OP--but because there's a week before the extension deadline and there was really no reason before now to engage in intense negotiations.

Ainge used the 3 weeks of training camp to see how the fire he lit under Rondo ass was progressing. So far, so good, so Ainge makes a reasonable offer of 9 million per over 5 years. If Rondo doesn't like it, or can't come down from his 12 million per year perch, then Ainge is fully prepared to go next summer with Rondo as a restricted free agent. All along, Ainge has been willing to pay market price for Rondo (which is why he offered 9 million per yesterday), and he'll still be willing to go market price for him next summer, even if he vaults himself to 12 million per year.

This is part of the negotiation process and to infer that Ainge 'all of a sudden' had a realization that he was sleeping on Rondo's extension...well...that's just not very credible, nor an accurate assessment of Ainge's time as GM here in Boston...this guy doesn't sleep on anything, he's always doing his homework, formulating a plan, and putting that plan in action...making Rondo an offer at this point in time was part of the plan all along.

Roy and Bargnani were signed in the summer

Aldridge last week....they had been negotiating all summer..

we didn't open negotiations till the night before the season begins...

Thats a great idea, no distractions for Rondo right?

[JSABleedsGreen]

The agent for Rajon Rondo said late Monday that his client will not sign a contract extension with the Celtics, meaning the 23-year-old point guard will become a restricted free agent at the end of the season, Yahoo! Sports reported.



Rondo

According to multiple reports, the Celtics and Rondo's representatives met recently to try to work out a deal but apparently are still far apart. Technically, the sides face a Friday deadline to come to an agreement on an extension that would keep Rondo off the free-agent market next summer, but agent Bill Duffy ruled it out.

"We're not going to do an extension right now," Duffy told Yahoo! Sports. "The conversation has been cordial. We've been talking the last couple of weeks. There is a difference between the perception of him in their eyes and our eyes. With that being said, the focus is on Rajon to have a fantastic season and concentrate on winning a championship."

Duffy said he is looking for a deal that would make Rondo one of the NBA's top five highest-paid point guards. According to Duffy, the Celtics "feel differently," Yahoo! Sports reported.

From ESPN.

They've been talking for a few weeks.....come on man.....just stop with all the posts about Rondo. You're making me start to hate the kid.

[ryaningf]

This is starting to get ridiculous

WHY are the negotiations happening now? Not because of some epiphany from Ainge, nor anything written by the OP--but because there's a week before the extension deadline and there was really no reason before now to engage in intense negotiations.

Ainge used the 3 weeks of training camp to see how the fire he lit under Rondo ass was progressing. So far, so good, so Ainge makes a reasonable offer of 9 million per over 5 years. If Rondo doesn't like it, or can't come down from his 12 million per year perch, then Ainge is fully prepared to go next summer with Rondo as a restricted free agent. All along, Ainge has been willing to pay market price for Rondo (which is why he offered 9 million per yesterday), and he'll still be willing to go market price for him next summer, even if he vaults himself to 12 million per year.

This is part of the negotiation process and to infer that Ainge 'all of a sudden' had a realization that he was sleeping on Rondo's extension...well...that's just not very credible, nor an accurate assessment of Ainge's time as GM here in Boston...this guy doesn't sleep on anything, he's always doing his homework, formulating a plan, and putting that plan in action...making Rondo an offer at this point in time was part of the plan all along.

Roy and Bargnani were signed in the summer

Aldridge last week....they had been negotiating all summer..

we didn't open negotiations till the night before the season begins...

Thats a great idea, no distractions for Rondo right?

Different teams do things differently. Roy was an obvious max guy from the start--no need wasting time on that and both parties knew it. For the other two, there were no lingering maturity issues to deal with, meaning that waiting until closer to the deadline had no gain for either side.

Further, by starting contentious negotiations over the summer, you actually create a bigger distraction than you do by waiting until later in preseason. And the waiting had a purpose too--to show the Cs how Rondo's maturity was coming, something if shown that is valuable to both sides. The Cs waited to give Rondo a reasonable offer of 45 million over 5 years until AFTER they were shown that the lessons of the summer were incorporated. If they had major reservations about Rondo, it makes sense for both sides to give it some time and wait before proceeding into negotiations...

Even waiting a whole 3 weeks to see if the lessons of the summer sunk in isn't that much time, which is why you can bet that DA has contemplated this thing going till next summer and possibly paying Rondo like a top 5 point guard, assuming Rondo's progression continues and he deserves it. Right now, Danny's saying "you did good work, Rondo, you took what I said and ran with it and improved your maturity so far; therefore, I'll offer you what I consider to be your market value." Rondo's saying that he wants more, so now Danny's saying he'll have to show the new-found maturity for a whole season and a play-off run and not just 3 weeks of preseason before he'll bite on that. I think Danny thinks Rondo's a top 5 point--but I also think Danny's a great negotiator and there's no need to overplay your hand at this point. Danny's eyes are wide open--he'll pay market value now or later. Rondo's proven he's worth 9-10 million per; if he wants more, he's going to have to risk it. And I think Danny's more than willing to pay it if Rondo proves it. But he has to prove it.

Danny also knows the type of person Rondo is...this isn't going to be a distraction for either party. If Rondo wants to gamble, Danny will gamble too.

[Wolves2011]

you actually create a bigger distraction than you do by waiting until later in preseason.

come on... you can't honestly believe that beginning negotiations the NIGHT BEFORE THE SEASON BEGINS isn't a distraction for Rondo, his teammates, coaches, and celtic management....

They should have been talking all summer, right along and into training camp if necessary.

Ainge didn't have to "pull the trigger" until he was ready.

But the parameters of a deal would be better understood.

What happens if these dramatic negotiations "fall apart"..... if they had quietly been going along all summer and nothing happened its less of a distraction than what Ainge has done.

If the negotiations fall apart, will it affect Rondo... I don't think so, because the guy is fearless...but he might try harder to get "his numbers".

Will it affect how his teammates treat Rondo?

yes, I think it will. Pierce and KG and others are thinking: why wouldn't this little squirt sign this great offer....

Hurts team chemistry....and the team....

Maybe affects the coaching staff...Play Rondo less, so his numbers are lower, and he gets a lower offer..

Rondo tries extra hard to get numbers to get his contract rather than always being "pass first".....

Coaches tell Rondo to shoot less, is it because of team on court needs or contract??

If this DRAMATIC last minute offer doesn't work.... it is much worse than if they had been talking all along... ... and a deal quietly didn't happen...

something scared Danny... he is now scared that someone will make a huge offer for Rondo....and it costs much more, or we don't match and can't replace Rondo....

[underneathtoDJ]

I don't post on here all that often, but I couldn't help myself. Here's my 2 cents.

Wolves2011, relax dude. You're getting yourself all worked up in thread after thread. Take a deep breath, maybe go outside for a little while to see what it's like out there, then come back and bring some reasonable, thoughtful insight to this board for once. I've seen the last 3 or 4 topics that you've posted in, and it's like I'm reading a 7th grader arguing with his buddies at recess. Here's a little tip, don't get so worked up if someone doesn't agree with you. It's going to happen your whole life, get used to it. Here's another thing, stop acting like a no-it-all. There's nothing more annoying than someone who thinks they know everything, when post after post proves that they don't (OMG, I CAN'T BELIEVE DANNY WAITED UNTIL THE DAY BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS TO START CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH RONDO. I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG THAT THEY NEED TO SIGN HIM, WHY WOULD DANNY JUST START NOW? HE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO MEEEEE). Get a clue. You're bringing down the (usually) high quality posts here, which is the reason why I come here in the first place.

Ok, I'm done. Feel free to quote previous posts and have some long winded post about how I'm wrong. You won't hear from me again, because it's just not worth it, so feel free to really let me have it.

[Wolves2011]

I don't post on here all that often, but I couldn't help myself. Here's my 2 cents.

Wolves2011, relax dude. You're getting yourself all worked up in thread after thread. Take a deep breath, maybe go outside for a little while to see what it's like out there, then come back and bring some reasonable, thoughtful insight to this board for once. I've seen the last 3 or 4 topics that you've posted in, and it's like I'm reading a 7th grader arguing with his buddies at recess. Here's a little tip, don't get so worked up if someone doesn't agree with you. It's going to happen your whole life, get used to it. Here's another thing, stop acting like a no-it-all. There's nothing more annoying than someone who thinks they know everything, when post after post proves that they don't (OMG, I CAN'T BELIEVE DANNY WAITED UNTIL THE DAY BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS TO START CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH RONDO. I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG THAT THEY NEED TO SIGN HIM, WHY WOULD DANNY JUST START NOW? HE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO MEEEEE). Get a clue. You're bringing down the (usually) high quality posts here, which is the reason why I come here in the first place.

Ok, I'm done. Feel free to quote previous posts and have some long winded post about how I'm wrong. You won't hear from me again, because it's just not worth it, so feel free to really let me have it.

I am right!!

and persevered against mostly criticism on this board ...

after being attacked by many on this board for weeks, its fun to let people know it....

If you think I'm a 7th grader so be it...

I passed that mark... decades ago....

But its fun to be childish sometimes....

As a guy with 21 years of education, its nice to know, that I can still think like a child....

[Zin5]

Did you not take the hint from canman? We have enough Rondo threads. Keep it to one topic and maybe we'd care to read your agenda driven bantering. It's old and annoying and you've only been here a month, congrats.

[Hemingway]

So there is:

Curm
Joe Brisket
Celtic Thug

And now Wolves, have I missed anyone?

[DorfonCeltics]

So there is:

Curm
Joe Brisket
Celtic Thug

And now Wolves, have I missed anyone?

Pubaguila?

[Wolves2011]

Did you not take the hint from canman? We have enough Rondo threads. Keep it to one topic and maybe we'd care to read your agenda driven bantering. It's old and annoying and you've only been here a month, congrats.

most of the more recent Rondo threads [those started after canman locked one of my threads] were started by others....

Because I was right about the importance of Rondo heading to the end of October...

Rondo is the issue until he is signed or the October deadline passes....

Frankly, if someone wants to ban me, I don't care....

I've made my point and was clearly right.....