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My guess is no. JR's lack of offensive confidence is palpable, and you can't play 2-guard in this league if you average 9 pts per 40 minutes. You have to be able to create points.

But there are intriguing elements to his game, like his rebounding. And Tommy swears he is a devastating shooter in practice.

elrod enchilada wrote:My guess is no. JR's lack of offensive confidence is palpable, and you can't play 2-guard in this league if you average 9 pts per 40 minutes. You have to be able to create points.

But there are intriguing elements to his game, like his rebounding. And Tommy swears he is a devastating shooter in practice.

From Conner Henry to Orien Greene and now JR..... you can count on that type of compliment from Tommy as a good indicator of who will be out of the league next.

I strongly doubt it.

I don't see any reason for it right now. Giddens can't score at the NBA level, can't shoot a stand still jumper to save his life, and *still* lets the moment overwhelm him. The option won't be picked up and there's a chance that his expiring contract is dumped in Jan/Feb for extra roster flexibility and to sign someone who can actually help us, now and in the future. Giddens is probably Danny's worst draft pick, and that includes Banks.

The dude has played 16 minutes total in his career, I'm not sure that extrapolating his stats gives us anything meaningful. And I'm not sure we have a large enough sample to have any idea as to what he can do. Of course that he's only played 16 total minutes is a pretty good indication he's not highly thought of. I doubt they pick up the option.

I don't see why they'd guarantee salary to this guy. I haven't seen him even show a flash of being any good in the league. I'm trying and I can't even think of one play. Plus he needs to get rid of the socks and the headband.

This is a guy who was actually charged with grand larceny for planning to rob a wallmart, got stabbed in a knife fight, got suspended from his college team twice and had to transfer just for being a punk. Then got suspended by his new team.

Giddens was a worthwhile risk for a team like the Celtics. He was a highly touted high shcool player and a Kansas recruit and he would be joining a veteran locker room. Was he a lottery talented that just went through a rough patch that the Celtics could pick up on the cheap due to character issues? The answer to that is clearly no. His off the court problems (Please Use More Appropriate Word) his development and he's not worth keeping on the team.

Godmoney wrote:I don't see why they'd guarantee salary to this guy. I haven't seen him even show a flash of being any good in the league. I'm trying and I can't even think of one play. Plus he needs to get rid of the socks and the headband.

This is a guy who was actually charged with grand larceny for planning to rob a wallmart, got stabbed in a knife fight, got suspended from his college team twice and had to transfer just for being a punk. Then got suspended by his new team.

Giddens was a worthwhile risk for a team like the Celtics. He was a highly touted high shcool player and a Kansas recruit and he would be joining a veteran locker room. Was he a lottery talented that just went through a rough patch that the Celtics could pick up on the cheap due to character issues? The answer to that is clearly no. His off the court problems (Please Use More Appropriate Word) his development and he's not worth keeping on the team.

Yeah what godmoney said is about right.
This guy is a waste looks like him and walker our bust so far. Hell lester last night showed more flashes of being awesome in one game compared to giddens. Trade him or don't up him...

captain green wrote:Yeah what godmoney said is about right.
This guy is a waste looks like him and walker our bust so far. Hell lester last night showed more flashes of being awesome in one game compared to giddens. Trade him or don't up him...

JR Giddens : 7 minutes 54 seconds/ 0-1 FGA/ 3 REB / 1 ASST / 0 TO's / 0 PTS
Lester Hudson : 9 minutes 36 secodns / 0-1/ 1 REB/ 1 ASST / 1 TO's / 0 PTS

Let me mention..that the shot JR missed, was a 3 pointer..


So please.. explain to me what Lester did better than Giddens yesterday?

JR doesn't play enough..ok he really doesn't show confidence in his offense..but he looks really good on defense..and come on..some people say he is Danny's worse draft pick? Ya'll haven't even seen the kid play! The only game he got decent minutes in the pre season he put up 13 **** rebounds, and played great defense. Nobody in here can tell me he can't shoot, because he NEVER shoots..I mean wow..some of you are complaining about his socks and headbands! Get the **** out of here yo.. Giddens and Walker are both younger than Hudson, have played 1 year in the league..on a team that has Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Eddie House in the roster..and they are busts?Wow..

^^^agreed.

Giddens hasn't even been given a chance to score. He is always the 4th or 5th option when he is on the court. That's when he has actually played.

He has shown me good defensive energy and great rebounding in his very limited minutes. Since he was such a late pick his salary is pretty minimal. I think we pick up Giddens option.

ryaningf wrote: Giddens is probably Danny's worst draft pick, and that includes Banks.

The kid really hasn't been given a chance. Banks had about a million chances to be the PG or backup PG and he couldn't do it. You are right in that Giddens may not get his chance in Boston but Danny Ainge's worst draft pick.

as Mark Jackson would say: Come on, your better than that.

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:

captain green wrote:Yeah what godmoney said is about right.
This guy is a waste looks like him and walker our bust so far. Hell lester last night showed more flashes of being awesome in one game compared to giddens. Trade him or don't up him...

JR Giddens : 7 minutes 54 seconds/ 0-1 FGA/ 3 REB / 1 ASST / 0 TO's / 0 PTS
Lester Hudson : 9 minutes 36 secodns / 0-1/ 1 REB/ 1 ASST / 1 TO's / 0 PTS

Let me mention..that the shot JR missed, was a 3 pointer..


So please.. explain to me what Lester did better than Giddens yesterday?

JR doesn't play enough..ok he really doesn't show confidence in his offense..but he looks really good on defense..and come on..some people say he is Danny's worse draft pick? Ya'll haven't even seen the kid play! The only game he got decent minutes in the pre season he put up 13 **** rebounds, and played great defense. Nobody in here can tell me he can't shoot, because he NEVER shoots..I mean wow..some of you are complaining about his socks and headbands! Get the **** out of here yo.. Giddens and Walker are both younger than Hudson, have played 1 year in the league..on a team that has Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Eddie House in the roster..and they are busts?Wow..

Very good post.

Seriously everyone, the Hudson love affair needs to stop. I have no clue where people are going off saying "he's ready to be our backup PG now", "he's had like five good preseason games", "he'll get minutes right off the bat", and "he's shown more than Giddens" when he hasn't done any of that. His passion and confidence are making you all think he's better than he is. He had two decent preseason games. That's it. He was out for summer league, he didn't tear up the preseason like some of you are praising him as if he had, and he's just not very good.

Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be a player in this league, I'm optimistic about him, but a lot of you are being unrealistic. Hell, even to the point where somehow there were posters on the general board (probably mostly guys from here) saying he'd surprise this year. He's a garbage man for this team at this point, he has no real role. I'm not saying Giddens is bad or good either, just saying to let them both show something before you decide a verdict on either.

As for Giddens' option. I want to see more of him this year before I decide, but I'd say odds are they will. He showed improvement to his game in the SL and he's still a great athlete. His lack of confidence is ideal for a role player off the bench. Yes, he won't add anything to a game without confidence, but he won't take anything away like TA has in the past.

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:

captain green wrote:Yeah what godmoney said is about right.
This guy is a waste looks like him and walker our bust so far. Hell lester last night showed more flashes of being awesome in one game compared to giddens. Trade him or don't up him...

JR Giddens : 7 minutes 54 seconds/ 0-1 FGA/ 3 REB / 1 ASST / 0 TO's / 0 PTS
Lester Hudson : 9 minutes 36 secodns / 0-1/ 1 REB/ 1 ASST / 1 TO's / 0 PTS

Let me mention..that the shot JR missed, was a 3 pointer..


So please.. explain to me what Lester did better than Giddens yesterday?

JR doesn't play enough..ok he really doesn't show confidence in his offense..but he looks really good on defense..and come on..some people say he is Danny's worse draft pick? Ya'll haven't even seen the kid play! The only game he got decent minutes in the pre season he put up 13 **** rebounds, and played great defense. Nobody in here can tell me he can't shoot, because he NEVER shoots..I mean wow..some of you are complaining about his socks and headbands! Get the **** out of here yo.. Giddens and Walker are both younger than Hudson, have played 1 year in the league..on a team that has Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Eddie House in the roster..and they are busts?Wow..

I said flashes plus he stole the ball and didn't look lost like Giddens did that's my explanation And I'm way high on Walker but put him in the bust arena cause of his knees. Anyone can look good in preseason and I don't care about what he wears he just sucks. And those stats you posted confirms my point dudes been in the league a year and this is Hudson 1st game ever. Giddens misses 2 shots doesn't pass at all, get 3 rebounds and your saying I can't say I saw flashes of hustle in Hudson where I've never seen nothing in Giddens ...Come down from that cloud son the weed is way nicer down here on earth.

So please.. explain to me what Lester did better than Giddens yesterday?

Because stats don't tell the whole story. They are okay for people who didn't watch the game. For example Lester made a pass to a wide open Giddens who proceeded to airball a 3. This shows up as "nothing" for Hudson on the blessed stat sheet but was one of several pretty decent passes Hudson made.

Hudson also brought the ball up against some pressure and was cool and composed. Again this doesn't show up in the stat sheet. I don't know if you got to watch the game but Hudson looks like a guy who could be a decent roleplayer. Giddens OTOH looks like an athlete who needs to learn the game..

Pete

Simply comparing statistics is not how you evaluate a player. You can simply "tell" that when Lester gets in a game he has little fear and shows you what he has. That doesn't mean he's going to be a star or anything like that, it just means that he looks like an NBA player that belongs on the court.

Giddens has that deer in the headlights look. He looks nervous out there, but it is understandable because these are his first legit minutes as a pro.

I have a question for a few of you: Why the hell would JR Giddens be scoring for the Celtics? Why would he be taking shots away from anyone else on this stacked veteran team? Saying he can't score and all that is non-sense. We just don't know yet.

LenBiasBaller wrote:Simply comparing statistics is not how you evaluate a player. You can simply "tell" that when Lester gets in a game he has little fear and shows you what he has. That doesn't mean he's going to be a star or anything like that, it just means that he looks like an NBA player that belongs on the court.

Giddens has that deer in the headlights look. He looks nervous out there, but it is understandable because these are his first legit minutes as a pro.

I have a question for a few of you: Why the hell would JR Giddens be scoring for the Celtics? Why would he be taking shots away from anyone else on this stacked veteran team? Saying he can't score and all that is non-sense. We just don't know yet.

Well I'm not saying he needs to score although that is the typical sg role but he has to show me something, he can't play the pg and can't defend the 3. A 6'5 third string decent rebounder with not much else is the way I see it hopefully I'm proven wrong, but to re up this guy for a mil or so when Lester can do equal or more (bringing he ball up) than him doesn't make sense.
I'm also not stating Hudson has by any means proven his worth either I just like what I saw in his garbage time over Giddens play.

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:

captain green wrote:Yeah what godmoney said is about right.
This guy is a waste looks like him and walker our bust so far. Hell lester last night showed more flashes of being awesome in one game compared to giddens. Trade him or don't up him...

JR Giddens : 7 minutes 54 seconds/ 0-1 FGA/ 3 REB / 1 ASST / 0 TO's / 0 PTS
Lester Hudson : 9 minutes 36 secodns / 0-1/ 1 REB/ 1 ASST / 1 TO's / 0 PTS

Let me mention..that the shot JR missed, was a 3 pointer..


So please.. explain to me what Lester did better than Giddens yesterday?

If you were watching the game, you'd know that Gidden's one miss wasn't just a three pointer, it was an airball that missed the rim by about 5 feet. My buddy that went to the game with me said "This guy is in the NBA?" And Hudon's assist came after an incredibly athletic hustle play where he lept out of bounds after a ball that had been deflected and saved it with a one-handed pass over his shoulder right to a team mate, who then got the ball right back to Lester, who threw a half court pass for an easy hoops.

You could say that one guy looked great in garbage time while the other guy looked like a D-Leauger or worse.

Celts17Pride wrote:

ryaningf wrote: Giddens is probably Danny's worst draft pick, and that includes Banks.

The kid really hasn't been given a chance. Banks had about a million chances to be the PG or backup PG and he couldn't do it. You are right in that Giddens may not get his chance in Boston but Danny Ainge's worst draft pick.

as Mark Jackson would say: Come on, your better than that.

Um, he's played on a team without a backup small forward for what, 2 years now, and he's still not getting minutes? He's had an OPPORTUNITY, he just hasn't grabbed it because he can't score in a team offense. This team could use him right now, with TA/Walker out, but he's still not getting on the court. You can talk about having chances and getting on the court, but when a team has a spot for him which he doesn't seem able to fill then that's his CHANCE right there...he's so bad that even when a team has an excuse to play him, they don't.

I don't need to see JR fail time and time again before I feel comfortable saying he's a failure. I think a change of scenery would do him wonders, as his opportunity on this team doesn't seem to fit his skill-set.

What the JR defenders aren't realizing is that JR isn't even showing SIGNS that he belongs. The reason Hudson gets love is that he shows signs of being a player--he's hitting shots, getting in passing lanes, doing a decent job in garbage time getting the offense initiated. These signs are encouraging. But JR is showing NOTHING. Even his defense seems up-and-down, and that can't happen for a guy in his position. What do y'all remember of JR from last night? A bad foul (after getting upfaked and then biting on it) and an airballed three. Other than that, he was invisible, like he usually is...

I was slightly optimistic after his 13 board performance (in 33 minutes). Not so anymore. He is what he is and his option isn't getting picked up. Why pick up the option? Even if he does progress and the team decides it wants him back, they can still resign him in the offseason if necessary. It's not like teams will beating down his door next summer.

This is especially painful because we were ready to pick up George Hill and SAS scooped him up a few picks before.

Banks2Pierce wrote:This is especially painful because we were ready to pick up George Hill and SAS scooped him up a few picks before.

George Hill doesn't really look like anything too impressive or anything worth crying over losing yet.

The one guy I wanted badly in the 2007 draft that almost fell to us (and I'm sure the Spurs are saying the same thing about him that you are about Hill) is Batum. He would have been the perfect Posey replacement and would look really good in green right now.

Godmoney wrote:

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:

captain green wrote:Yeah what godmoney said is about right.
This guy is a waste looks like him and walker our bust so far. Hell lester last night showed more flashes of being awesome in one game compared to giddens. Trade him or don't up him...

JR Giddens : 7 minutes 54 seconds/ 0-1 FGA/ 3 REB / 1 ASST / 0 TO's / 0 PTS
Lester Hudson : 9 minutes 36 secodns / 0-1/ 1 REB/ 1 ASST / 1 TO's / 0 PTS

Let me mention..that the shot JR missed, was a 3 pointer..


So please.. explain to me what Lester did better than Giddens yesterday?

If you were watching the game, you'd know that Gidden's one miss wasn't just a three pointer, it was an airball that missed the rim by about 5 feet. My buddy that went to the game with me said "This guy is in the NBA?" And Hudon's assist came after an incredibly athletic hustle play where he lept out of bounds after a ball that had been deflected and saved it with a one-handed pass over his shoulder right to a team mate, who then got the ball right back to Lester, who threw a half court pass for an easy hoops.
You could say that one guy looked great in garbage time while the other guy looked like a D-Leauger or worse.

What a damn lie..it was a corner 3, and it hit the rim..


Should we give him the starting job now?

The ONLY thing he does better than Giddens, is he is more comfortable on offense...he doesn't even shoot better..the dude is known for being a sharp shooter in his college days, and he can't shoot for **** in the NBA..Giddens was know for being a rebounder, and a defender on his college days..he does just that. But people here don't like Giddens, and they love Lester..anything that Giddens does well, people look past it, and what he does badly, people jump all over. Meanwhile, what ever Hudson does badly (like getting done by Henderson and Felton yesterday) nobody mentions..and when he has an assist people make it look like he did a Jason Kidd + Magic Johnson + Michael Jordan type of play..