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In my point of view, statistically, this team has a simple problem, but a serious one, REBOUNDs.

In 07-08 season, 42.0 RPG, allowed 38.9 RPG
In 08-09 season, 42.1 RPG, allowed 37.6 RPG. (Considering we miss KG significantly, this is great performance.)
In 09-10 season, 38.1 RPG, allowed 38.2 RPG, in 11 games.

This is not good. Celtics is supposed to have GREAT front court and a great rebound PG.

Something is wrong.

At least were not last now http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_ ... nf=1&prd=1 funny the team we beat is last and we only had 1 more than them.
I don't know what to think honestly.

I think it's funny that the 5 best teams (considered before the season..Celtics, Cavs, Magic, Lakers, Spurs), are side by side by side by side by side.

15-19 in differential in the league. It's not a surprise that all five have been struggling lately to win (ESPECIALLY the Spurs)...rebounding is down for all 5. The Lakers, though, have been missing Pau and a couple games without Bynum..so they have a good excuse. I'd like to say we have an excuse with a recovering Garnett, but Garnett hasn't been much of a rebounding force since joining the Celtics anyway. The team is struggling with rebounding as a whole...it's early in the season so I'm not as worried..

I think that first unit is tentative overall 1-5 except for maybe Perkins. KG is not exploding for rebounds like he has in the past on the defensive end and that is likely just a sign of the recovery it is gettting better and better.

Everyone outside of Perk, Shelden, and maybe Pierce is doing a sub par job on the boards. Some of this is directly attributed to the losses of Powe and Davis. While Shelden is actually a nice combo of the two he has both of their strengths and flaws in a lot of ways and that may not be a win. Leon gave you that aggressive 6'8" forward who could crash the glass and compete athletically, we just don't have that player right now, especially with Pierce dinged and this is getting exposed in match ups against teams like the Hawks, Pacers, Suns, even the Warrior to an extent last night. As his fans would try and point while Glen Davis was not a great individual rebounder he would use his substantial ass and drive the opposing center away from the basket making it easier for his team to rebound.

Doc went to Giddens to give the team some of this and the kid is a hell of rebounder for a guard, sadly he still seems to suck at everything else. I think if Walker could get up to speed he might be able to help some in the atheltic dept but I just don't know.

There is an old saying, offense sells tickets, defense wins games, rebounding wins championships. I agree completely with this notion. There is no reason we should be getting killed on the glass like we do. Its almost embarrassing.

sully00 wrote:I think that first unit is tentative overall 1-5 except for maybe Perkins. KG is not exploding for rebounds like he has in the past on the defensive end and that is likely just a sign of the recovery it is gettting better and better.

Everyone outside of Perk, Shelden, and maybe Pierce is doing a sub par job on the boards. Some of this is directly attributed to the losses of Powe and Davis. While Shelden is actually a nice combo of the two he has both of their strengths and flaws in a lot of ways and that may not be a win. Leon gave you that aggressive 6'8" forward who could crash the glass and compete athletically, we just don't have that player right now, especially with Pierce dinged and this is getting exposed in match ups against teams like the Hawks, Pacers, Suns, even the Warrior to an extent last night. As his fans would try and point while Glen Davis was not a great individual rebounder he would use his substantial ass and drive the opposing center away from the basket making it easier for his team to rebound.

Doc went to Giddens to give the team some of this and the kid is a hell of rebounder for a guard, sadly he still seems to suck at everything else. I think if Walker could get up to speed he might be able to help some in the atheltic dept but I just don't know.

Yeah I agree here although powe had 4.9 his last year he seemed to block out a whole lot more combining that with davis's big body and 4.0 rebounds made a good tandem to come off the bench where as we have now have williams 5.1 and sheed at 3.4 with only one of them blocking out. I think will be better with davis on the lower block than sheed. You also touched on it a bit are starters rebounds are down from last year as well that will come in time I hope, the lone real bright spot is williams(thankful he slipped to us to be honest).
And yeah I thought tommy said it best last night giving giddens minutes he'd better do something with it. Doc was trying to showcase him and once again he stumbled.
I think it has a lot to do with blocking out and sheed and kg are slower this year. leaving perk to not gamble on the block out as much, I'm still at a lose though we shouldn't be this low looking at the stats from the last 2 year and to current its like phantom stats lol.

I don't think we have a problem in the front court as much as we have a much up issue. It is too early to crazy about stats and this teams 5 bigs are going to be a lot better than last year's 5 bigs however you slice it.

We have struggled on the glass against weak rebounding teams it is the undersized athletic front court or just plain athletic forwards that is stealing boards and giving this team fits. I think this is usually something Garnett would negate that isn't quite up to speed on but it is something this team needs to keep and eye on.

It's the same reason we are struggling on both offense and defense, too many guys standing around. Hopefully they wake up and start putting in the effort. Rebounding is rarely a skill thing, its will and hustle.

Another issue, is Doc's stupid offense where KG and Perk are standing around (KG) or setting picks (Perk) out near the 3-pt line. We don't get as many offensive rebounds as we should (aside from Rondo).

I also don't like how we use our bigs to hedge screens on defense. Leaves them too far from the basket. This defensive system is so old and beatable. If we had such a great defensive assistant, you'd think he could come up with a system more suitable to older players (now this would be a good topic).

I'll second the thought on will and hustle. By and large, rebounding involves teamwork. Last year, our starters (particularly Perk and KG) were excellent at crashing the defensive boards, clearing out the rebounding threats and either grabbing the board or leaving an opportunity for Rondo, Pierce or Ray to come up with it. I'm not seeing that same effort this year except in spurts, but it's a correctable problem. I don't think it has as much to do with athleticism as it does a team commitment to bodying up and having all 5 (or at least 4) players with the same mindset when a shot goes up.

Rebounding has never been a good statistic in correlating wins.

Our defense has just dropped and slippage began with the Minny game....the C's are allowing way too many open 3 pointers and gambling on steals breaking down the cohesiveness of the team defense.

Perimeter defense and defensive rotations need to get better.