Any way to work a deal sending Ray to the Knicks?

[vct33]

How badly does New York want out of Curry's contract? Would they give up young talent if it meant they could dump Curry's contract?

Is the following deal too far-fetched?

New York Trades: Eddie Curry, Danillo Galinari, Chris Duhon, David Lee

Boston Trades: Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen, JR Giddens

[TheOGJabroni]

Why do we want that? who is our starting two guard? Are you giving up on this season completely?

[vct33]

Why do we want that? who is our starting two guard? Are you giving up on this season completely?

I'm not giving up on this season at all. I think this makes us a better team right now and at the same time it makes our future much more promising. I think too many Celtics fans overvalue what Ray Allen brings to the table. I really don't see much of a downgrade at all from Ray to Danilo. Plus, you get a very good young forward in Lee and a guy in Duhon who brings starter-quality skills off the bench at PG.

[elrod enchilada]

That is actually not a bad proposal. The Knicks probably would insist on subbing Jeffries for Duhon. Then the Knicks could easily sign two max contract players in 2010, and possibly a third. The only way they can get James, I suspect, is to be able to bring in Bosh and Wade or Joe Johnson too.

The Cs would have to swallow a season (2010-11) of two really bad deals. Wyc and the owners might reject that. But the Cs then get a strong back-up 4-5 in Lee who rebounds and has strong fresh legs. He can run, and he is entering what should be a nice 5 or 6 year prime. And Gallinari is the wild card. His low end is a Wally-Peja type one-dimensional sharpshooter. His high end is somewhat closer to Dirk. The big concern is his back injury. If the back is not a problem, he could be something special.

This deal will be there for a while. I'd wait and see how things develop when Baby returns. If it is obvious this team does not have what it takes, I would seriously consider the deal. I might try to squeeze a 2012 no. 1 out of the Knicks, too. This deal would be a massive gift to them, because if they don't cash in in 2010, they have a very dismal future for many years to come. Then if the Knicks fail to get free agents in 2010 or 2011, the Cs could get a lotto pick.

The deal would put the Cs in decent footing going forward, assuming they re-signed Lee in 2010. It would probably require Paul returning to the 2 guard spot for a good amount of his time on the court.

If Danny determines that the Cs can't win a title with this group, I expect him to be decisive. There won't be a five year victory lap around the league like the Cs did from 1988-1993. But I think he will wait a couple of months before he makes that determination.

[aboubata]

Curry was getting away with a lot of stuff last night, the league is trying to help NY again, best way to market him. too bad he screwed up and killed all the goods the refs did.

as for the deal, it won't be both Lee and Gallinari

[vct33]

Wilson Chandler is another nice young player that I'd have interest in.

[elrod enchilada]

If the Cs owners do agree to trade for Curry-Jeffries, a very big if, Danny has the Knicks by their cajones. I can't think of another team that would take on those salaries and return expiring contracts. Not one. And I have gone through the list.

And if the Knicks keep them, their chances of getting LBJ are far less than they would be otherwise. Probably approaching zero. James might prefer just to sign up with Miami and play with his buddy Wade there. James will have better options than the Knicks. The Nets would be more attractive if he wanted to be in the apple.

So Danny has a vice grip on them. He can squeeze until he gets what he wants or walk away with a smile on his face.

[Who-rod]

Only do this if the Knicks agree to buy out Ray, allowing us to resign him for the minimum for the rest of the season.

[Hemingway]

Could we get Ray back in a deal like this? We could give him the vet min so NY could buy him out for his contract minus the vey min and save a mil or so. I'd hate to subject Ray to playing what is sure to be one of his last years in NY.

[hairybyrd]

Ray Allen, TA, JR for Wilson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Eddy Curry

A very steep price to pay for NYK but it puts them well under the cap. Besides, if the goal is to sign Lebron, Wade, Johnson, etc. then why develop a wingman like Chandler?

Chandler's already shown promise and surrounded by a starting group of Perk, KG, Pierce and Rondo, he would get a lot of good shots. He takes it to the hoop, shoots the 3, he's a good rebounder and a decent defender. In 3 years the starting 5 is Perk/Baby/?/Chandler/Rondo - that would be great. Jeffries is also a solid player and Curry might feed off of Perk's and KG's intensity. Curry is the only uncertainty in the deal but his presence gives the C's a lot of size in the playoffs (and his deal expires with Pierce, Perk, Baby and Jeffries in 2011).

The real question here is does this trade help Lebron go to New York? I would say no although I understand the argument either way because this trade affords the Knicks even more cap space. My reasoning is exceedingly simple - if Lebron wants to go to NY, he'll go to NY.

[floyd]

I just don't get the Ray bashing going on around here. His three hasn't been falling at the normal clip but streaks are the nature of shooters - at the end of the day he'll be close 40% on threes. Taking it to the basket and hitting men rolling to the hoop he's looked the best since he got here. He's much more decisive going north south on those and dribbling the air out of the ball far less (I think adding the ball handling of Marquis has helped this a lot). He's had some bad turnovers but no one is immune from that (not Paul for sure as great as he is). I just don't see him as the problem.

[theman]

Ray Allen, TA, JR for Wilson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Eddy Curry

A very steep price to pay for NYK but it puts them well under the cap. Besides, if the goal is to sign Lebron, Wade, Johnson, etc. then why develop a wingman like Chandler?

Chandler's already shown promise and surrounded by a starting group of Perk, KG, Pierce and Rondo, he would get a lot of good shots. He takes it to the hoop, shoots the 3, he's a good rebounder and a decent defender. In 3 years the starting 5 is Perk/Baby/?/Chandler/Rondo - that would be great. Jeffries is also a solid player and Curry might feed off of Perk's and KG's intensity. Curry is the only uncertainty in the deal but his presence gives the C's a lot of size in the playoffs (and his deal expires with Pierce, Perk, Baby and Jeffries in 2011).

The real question here is does this trade help Lebron go to New York? I would say no although I understand the argument either way because this trade affords the Knicks even more cap space. My reasoning is exceedingly simple - if Lebron wants to go to NY, he'll go to NY.

So the Celtic would basicly be paying Chandler 25 million per season. Yuke and double Yuke.

Chandler is a fine player but nothing special. Curry is a done. Jeffries is done.

And yes that deal would help LeBron because the could then sign Lebron, Wade and another piece or two. But I don't think Danny is all that interested in sending Lebron to NY.

Ray Allen to Cleveland at the deadline for LeBron works for me.

[chakdaddy]

Ray Allen to Cleveland at the deadline for LeBron works for me.

I presume that's a joke, but some people seriously think about deals like that...but 3 months of Ray Allen's expiring contract with no chance and re-signing LBJ is worth a lot less than 3 months of LeBron's expiring contract with a chance to re-sign him...an expiring for an expiring doesn't help anybody much...

[greenchaos]

I don't want any business with NYK. Thank you very much.

[Yinwest]

LOL at this trade, Ray being more aggressive than ever this year, people here are hard to please, they want all star at every position.

[theman]

Friday I posed the question to Knick fans as to what they might be willing to give up to get rid of Jeffries or Curry. Galllinari is off the list. However, geting a real player like Ray Allen might change that. But that is a horrid trade for the C's.

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http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=960259

[TheOGJabroni]

If we were guaranteed to get Ray back if he was bought out then absolutely we do this deal. But making Pierce play out of position so Gallinari, who is a tweener forward combo, would be in our starting lineup as opposed to RAY ALLEN, is a bad idea.

[elrod enchilada]

The premise for the trade discussion is the belief that the Cs will not win the title this year. I am not there yet, nor are most of you. But I could well be there in two months. In that case, it will behoove Danny to consider what to do with Ray's expiring contract. If he can parlay it for one or two young players with real promise, he would have to consider it closely.

The deal would not be made to win the title in 2010; it would be made to make us a much stronger team in 2011 and thereafter.

Knocks fans don't want to lose Gallo. But that is the price they will have to pay to get anyone to take Curry and Jeffries. And if they don't lose Curry and Jeffries, it is unlikely they will get James. They will suck for another decade. Danny has them by the cajones, because there is no other team in the league willing to trade expiring contracts for Curry and Jeffries. None. Zero. Nunca. If Danny thinks we can't win this year, I expect him to squeeze and squeeze hard.

[Red2]

forget curry- lee would be the prize in that deal. ray was horrible yesterday and there's no way to sugarcoat it BUt without ray allen we don't beat the bulls last year. Ray won more games for us last any other player on our roster so I'm not giving up on him yet. If we're playing like this at the trade deadline then yeah, I'd consider a deal for ray but if we do that we're no longer playing for a championship and it means we're in rebuilding mode

[PP 4 Three]

We're not trading Ray.