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I called him a lazy chucker in the beginning of the season - and got slaughtered for it.

Sadly, i was right. 7-48 on threes in the last 9 games. That many 3's playing 20 min a game? gag me. His offense is offensive. It poisons the team offense.

And he won't quit folks. Doc tells him to stop launching bricks and he goes and shoots 0-8 on 3's in the next game. His 0-6 against NY almost cost us the game. Get used to it.

After the 'Sheed signing I checked out the Pistons board and lot of people were happy to see him go. A common sentiment was he helped a lot in 2004 but his lazy play and bad attitude cost them at least two championships. I don't know what to make of that but it makes me wonder whether the Cs current woes might have something to do with the corrosive attitude of a certain high profile veteran new comer who left another vet team that was known for being really good but undermined by a lackadaisical attitude. This is largely baseless speculation but the Cs seem to be going through the motions the way the Pistons were often criticized for. A lot of people on this forum like to bash 'Toine on this board for being a chucker. Right now it seems to me, in my most pessimistic moments, 'Sheed is a longer version of of 'Toine with less heart. Where's the outrage?

The thing is, I did notice Sheed turning down 3s in that game. I realize he took eight but most of them were in the flow of the offense. He just needs to stap out of his cold streak.

OBisHalJordan wrote:After the 'Sheed signing I checked out the Pistons board and lot of people were happy to see him go. A common sentiment was he helped a lot in 2004 but his lazy play and bad attitude cost them at least two championships. I don't know what to make of that but it makes me wonder whether the Cs current woes might have something to do with the corrosive attitude of a certain high profile veteran new comer who left another vet team that was known for being really good but undermined by a lackadaisical attitude. This is largely baseless speculation but the Cs seem to be going through the motions the way the Pistons were often criticized for. A lot of people on this forum like to bash 'Toine on this board for being a chucker. Right now it seems to me, in my most pessimistic moments, 'Sheed is a longer version of of 'Toine with less heart. Where's the outrage?

Great post.

Walker definately had MORE heart AND was a much better offensive rebounder.

You knew Wallace shoots 3's? Really, who would have guessed it.

We got knocked out of the playoffs because of a lack of size on the defensive end and not being able to match 3's with the Orlando Magic. The problem isn't Wallace shooting 3's the problem is that he needs to make a better percentage of them.

You are not going to win in the NBA without making 3's Boston made 4, 1, 3, 2 shooting 15% from 3 in the 4 losses. Boston avgs just under 19 3PA a game and only took an avg of 16 in their losses.

This team's problem isn't Wallace taking 3's this team's problem is that neither he or his teammates are making enough of them to win in the NBA.

Sheed looks like he is playing pickup basketball at this point, We should look to trade him along with Ray Allen before the All Star Break. ( Kevin Martin) and a role player to named later.

Sheed is on pace for a career high in 3 pt attempts (474). Compare that to his best season of 2001, year he attempted 162 3's. Just think about this. His playing time is at a all time career low but he is on pace to attempt the most 3's in his career.
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t's simple. Sheed needs to take less 3's and help the team in other ways. Doc has told him to take less 3's. Sheed continues to ingore Doc. Then Doc needs to play him less.

OBisHalJordan wrote:After the 'Sheed signing I checked out the Pistons board and lot of people were happy to see him go. A common sentiment was he helped a lot in 2004 but his lazy play and bad attitude cost them at least two championships. I don't know what to make of that but it makes me wonder whether the Cs current woes might have something to do with the corrosive attitude of a certain high profile veteran new comer who left another vet team that was known for being really good but undermined by a lackadaisical attitude. This is largely baseless speculation but the Cs seem to be going through the motions the way the Pistons were often criticized for. A lot of people on this forum like to bash 'Toine on this board for being a chucker. Right now it seems to me, in my most pessimistic moments, 'Sheed is a longer version of of 'Toine with less heart. Where's the outrage?

I like the Walker comparison as well, although there is at least two differences (although both fall under "the longer version of Toine" category). Wallace is a much better shotblocker than Walker ever was, and is a better overall defender as well. He is also a much better inside scorer than Walker was (at least after his first two seasons), and I guess that is my main complaint about Wallace. He has the ability to get a good shot off in the post, and in his limited minutes I have seen a number of solid post moves from him. I can't think of one time so far that he got his shot blocked outright, which was always Walker's problem. He just wasn't fast enough/big enough to consistently get his shot off inside, so he went to the outside almost from necessity. Wallace, on the other hand, has the ability to provide some much needed quality inside scoring, and instead he prefers to stand outside and chuck lazy threes all day. I don't mind the occasional three pointer, but right now he is averaging 2 three point shot attempts for every two point shot attempt, which is crazy. I could live with 1 three point attempt for every two 2 point attempts, but at the moment even that seems like a pipe dream.

grantlongforpresident wrote:I called him a lazy chucker in the beginning of the season - and got slaughtered for it.

Sadly, i was right. 7-48 on threes in the last 9 games. That many 3's playing 20 min a game? gag me. His offense is offensive. It poisons the team offense.

And he won't quit folks. Doc tells him to stop launching bricks and he goes and shoots 0-8 on 3's in the next game. His 0-6 against NY almost cost us the game. Get used to it.

You actually watched the game and THAT was the conclusion you came up with as to why the C's almost lost the game????

Well there is a agenda.......what at least I'm getting used to is the posts about the hate you have for the game of Wallace and I guess I just have to live with it.......and try to understand it.

Sheed is sucking right now, but I'm figuring that he'll start to come around in time. He needs to stop taking so man threes, and play down low more often. He also needs to use his passing skills more. All in all, though, he's a major asset to have around. He'll be fine.

sully00 wrote:You knew Wallace shoots 3's? Really, who would have guessed it.

We got knocked out of the playoffs because of a lack of size on the defensive end and not being able to match 3's with the Orlando Magic. The problem isn't Wallace shooting 3's the problem is that he needs to make a better percentage of them.

You are not going to win in the NBA without making 3's Boston made 4, 1, 3, 2 shooting 15% from 3 in the 4 losses. Boston avgs just under 19 3PA a game and only took an avg of 16 in their losses.

This team's problem isn't Wallace taking 3's this team's problem is that neither he or his teammates are making enough of them to win in the NBA.

As usual.......the voice of reason...........just make more shots.


You think the brain trust had no idea what they were getting in Wallace.....

sully00 wrote:You knew Wallace shoots 3's? Really, who would have guessed it.

We got knocked out of the playoffs because of a lack of size on the defensive end and not being able to match 3's with the Orlando Magic. The problem isn't Wallace shooting 3's the problem is that he needs to make a better percentage of them.

You are not going to win in the NBA without making 3's Boston made 4, 1, 3, 2 shooting 15% from 3 in the 4 losses. Boston avgs just under 19 3PA a game and only took an avg of 16 in their losses.

This team's problem isn't Wallace taking 3's this team's problem is that neither he or his teammates are making enough of them to win in the NBA.

First of all, this isn't about Rasheed the defender. I like Rasheed the defender.

Also, I'm not saying the Celtics shouldn't take 3's. I'd love to see Allen/House/Pierce take them all night long. Even Scal, Rasheed, Daniels, etc should take a wide open 3 when they have it.

But Sheed just camps out at the perimeter launching mediocre % shots with no one there to rebound. it is ugly to watch. it is inefficient. and we get fewer 2nd chances when there is a miss. And it hurts our offense.

the fact that he is in a slump just compounds the problem.

I'd rather those possesions go to a better % shooter or someone driving to the basket or even a Garnett/BBD 18 footer.

Sheed doesn't get to the line, doesn't get O rebounds, and doesn't shoot better than other guys in the line up. So why is he hucking up a ton of shots?

Yeah Sheed is jacking a lot of threes, everyone knows that. But I'm sure that when the time comes to "flip the switch" in the later part of the season, heading into the postseason, he is going to play more inside than we are currently seeing. He is just saving his body for when it really matters.

And as someone else has said, although it still seems as if he is taking an insane amount of threes, I actually feel like I noticed him passing on a few that he may not have in the beginning of the year. I remember either Tommy or Mike mentioning that same thing as well.

In the Orlando game, I really didn't see him chucking up three's what else are you going to do when you get so many wide open shots and your a shooter.

c'mon, his game is built around the 3 point shot and we got him for that very reason. His d and his rebounding have been fine and if nothing else he gives us a lot of length and size so I'm okk with sheed. He has a quick fuse like perk but that's just who he is. He will win us a bunch of games before this year is over. Both he and eddie just need a few good games and they'll beback ontrack

It's not like he's jacking up contested 3's. He's getting pretty good looks, he's just gotta make them.

Playoff defense is why sheed was signed, and that is where he will earn his money. I'm not a fan of the threes either but comparing him to Toine is a joke, he's 10x the defender and has a much better basketball IQ to go with the huge length advantage. When the shots start falling and the team gets out of this icy shooting streak people will relax (a little).

grantlongforpresident wrote:
First of all, this isn't about Rasheed the defender. I like Rasheed the defender.

Also, I'm not saying the Celtics shouldn't take 3's. I'd love to see Allen/House/Pierce take them all night long. Even Scal, Rasheed, Daniels, etc should take a wide open 3 when they have it.

But Sheed just camps out at the perimeter launching mediocre % shots with no one there to rebound. it is ugly to watch. it is inefficient. and we get fewer 2nd chances when there is a miss. And it hurts our offense.

the fact that he is in a slump just compounds the problem.

I'd rather those possesions go to a better % shooter or someone driving to the basket or even a Garnett/BBD 18 footer.

Sheed doesn't get to the line, doesn't get O rebounds, and doesn't shoot better than other guys in the line up. So why is he hucking up a ton of shots?

Your calling him a lazy chucker and comparing him to 'Toine I don't think I was off by not sensing a lot of love in your post.

I am not saying Sheed's problems from deep aren't symbolic of this teams struggles but that is the case. KG only making 48% of his two's is almost as big an issue (even with the slump Wallace has a eFG of 45%). In reality it isn't really about any one person, everyone outside of Pierce and Sheldon Williams is struggling shooting the ball. That is forcing guys to try and get to hoop or pass up shots that is screwing with the spacing in the offense and making the team easier to defend. Now does Wallace need to have as a quick a trigger as he has right now no he just isn't real comfortable in the offense and is trying to shoot his way out of the struggles. But no we don't need him in the lane more that is only going to make it harder for guys like Rondo, Daniels, and Williams who don't have the range to score.

Its called a slump. Remember Ray during the Detroit series?

Red2 wrote:c'mon, his game is built around the 3 point shot and we got him for that very reason. His d and his rebounding have been fine and if nothing else he gives us a lot of length and size so I'm okk with sheed. He has a quick fuse like perk but that's just who he is. He will win us a bunch of games before this year is over. Both he and eddie just need a few good games and they'll beback ontrack

His rebounding has NOT been fine by any stretch of the imagination. He is averaging a rebound once every 5.2 minutes. For all the crap that Glen Davis got last year for being a bad rebounder (and to some degree it was deserved), he was rebounding at a 5.4 minute clip, which is only slightly worse. The difference between 5.2 and 5.4, or about 12 seconds less between rebounds, is not the difference betwen being a bad rebounder and a fine rebounder. And as bad a rebounder as Antoine Walker had the reputation of being, there was only one season (02-03) during his time in Boston where he rebounded at a worse clip (5.8 minutes per rebound) than Wallace is currently rebounding at. The Celtics are 29 out of 30 in team rebounding currently, people. Obviously there is an issue somewhere. And to be fair, Perkins and particularly Garnett's rebounding rates has fallen from where they last year, so it certainly isn't 100% Wallace. But he is a big contributor to the lackluster team rebounding, and that isn't debatable, as he is far and away the worst rebounder of the core 4 big men.