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Many people on this site, like adjusted plus minus -


2009-10 - still early...

rondo - plus 16.03
Ray - plus 11.82
House - plus 5.96
Williams - plus 2.20
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Wallace - minus 0.22
Perkins - minus 0.48
KG - - minus 7.71
Pierce minus 9.36
Daniels minus 10.36

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2009 playoffs

Ray - plus 8.23
Rondo - plus 4.61
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House - minus 1.44
Scalabrine - minus 1.47
Pierce - minus 2.03
Davis - minus 3.32
Tony - minus 4.93
Moore - minus 6.04
Perkins - minus 9.50

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2008-09 full season

Ray - plus 13.91
Rondo - plus 6.81
KG - plus 4.27
Tony - plus 3.36
House - plus 3.16
Pierce - plus 1.42
Powe - plus 1.15
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moor - minus 4.69
Davis - minus 7.97
Perkins - minus 11.53

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2008 playoffs

KG - plus 9.96
Pierce - plus 7.82
Tony - plus 3.64
Cassell - plus 3.40
Ray - plus 0.94
House - plus 0.85
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Perkins - minus 3.31
Powe - minus 3.46
Rondo - minus 4.93
Posey - minus 7.47
Davis - minus 8.44
Brown - minus 13.85

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2007-08 full season

KG - plus 9.95
Pierce - plus 9.15
Tony - plus 4.51
House - plus 3.02
Rondo - plus 2.68
Cassell - plus 0.78
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Powe - minus 0.16
Ray - minus 0.94
Perkins - minus 3.37
Davis - minus 3.95
Posey - minus 7.49

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Don't have full team stats for 2006-7

But 2 celtics were in the top 20 - #9 Pierce and #16. KG wasn't with the Celtics then, but he was #1.

Table 1: Top 20 Players for 2006-2007 Season

Adjusted +/-
(per 40 min) 2006-07
Minutes
1. Garnett, Kevin 12.35
2. James, LeBron 12.01
3. Duncan, Tim 10.89
4. Arenas, Gilbert 8.80
5. Kidd, Jason 8.74
6. Bryant, Kobe 8.70
7. Davis, Baron 7.72
8. Wade, Dwayne 7.56
9. Pierce, Paul 7.24
10. Ginobili, Manu 6.77
11. Nowitzki, Dirk 6.45
12. Brand, Elton 6.30
13. Artest, Ron 6.25
14. Parker, Anthony 6.13
15. Nash, Steve 6.04
16. Rondo, Rajon 5.59
17. Deng, Luol 5.58
18. Billups, Chauncey 5.42
19. Redd, Michael 5.42
20. McDyess, Antonio 5.07

There is much noise in the data.

But a few observations, that shouldn't be surprises.

Rondo and Perkins have gotten better.
House has been steady.
KG isn't as good as he once was.
[KG's numbers should improve as he recovers from injury, but even last season, he wasn't nearly as good as past years.]
Pierce not as good as he once was.

A few partial surprises.

Last season, Ray was arguably our best player.
Pierce's recent performance has been much worse than I would have expected. [This season, last season and in last season's playoffs.]
Perkins has made a big improvement this season vs last year. [until this year, he was overrated.]
Tony's numbers have been consistently good when healthy - a big if.
Williams is nicely filling in for Powe.,
By this stat - Davis is overrated.

Can you just let me know where you are getting this from?

Banks2Pierce wrote:Can you just let me know where you are getting this from?

for 2007-2010

http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers. ... 0&team=BOS

for 2006-7

http://www.82games.com/ilardi1.htm

For another point of view.....see win shares [again 2009-10 info.]

It shows Pierce doing much better than in adjusted plus minus.

It shows KG is still a leader on defense.

These are top 20's for offensive, defensive and total win shares.

Offensive Win Shares

1. LeBron James-CLE 3.1
2. Chris Bosh-TOR 2.7
3. Steve Nash-PHO 2.6
4. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 2.5
5. Chris Paul-NOH 2.4
6. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 2.3
7. Paul Pierce-BOS 2.0
8. Brandon Roy-POR 2.0
9. Marc Gasol-MEM 1.9
10. Kobe Bryant-LAL 1.7
11. Jason Richardson-PHO 1.6
12. Tim Duncan-SAS 1.6
13. Dwight Howard-ORL 1.6
14. Carl Landry-HOU 1.6
15. Nene Hilario-DEN 1.6
16. Kevin Durant-OKC 1.5
17. Chauncey Billups-DEN 1.5
18. Jason Terry-DAL 1.5
19. Louis Williams-PHI 1.4
20. Ben Gordon-DET 1.4

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Defensive Win Shares

1. Gerald Wallace-CHA 1.7
2. Dwight Howard-ORL 1.4
3. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 1.2
4. Rajon Rondo-BOS 1.2
5. Kobe Bryant-LAL 1.2
6. Josh Smith-ATL 1.1
7. Marcus Camby-LAC 1.1
8. Lamar Odom-LAL 1.1
9. Kevin Durant-OKC 1.1
10. Kevin Garnett-BOS 1.1
11. Greg Oden-POR 1.1
12. Paul Pierce-BOS 1.0
13. Andrew Bynum-LAL 1.0
14. Raymond Felton-CHA 1.0
15. Boris Diaw-CHA 1.0
16. Thabo Sefolosha-OKC 1.0
17. Kendrick Perkins-BOS 1.0
18. Dwyane Wade-MIA 1.0
19. Jeff Green-OKC 0.9
20. LeBron James-CLE 0.9

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Win Shares

1. LeBron James-CLE 4.0
2. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 3.5
3. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 3.1
4. Paul Pierce-BOS 3.1
5. Dwight Howard-ORL 2.9
6. Kobe Bryant-LAL 2.9
7. Chris Bosh-TOR 2.8
8. Brandon Roy-POR 2.7
9. Steve Nash-PHO 2.7
10. Kevin Durant-OKC 2.6
11. Chris Paul-NOH 2.5
12. Marc Gasol-MEM 2.5
13. Nene Hilario-DEN 2.4
14. Josh Smith-ATL 2.4
15. Rajon Rondo-BOS 2.3
16. Tim Duncan-SAS 2.3
17. Greg Oden-POR 2.3
18. Al Horford-ATL 2.2
19. Dwyane Wade-MIA 2.2
20. Carlos Boozer-UTA 2.1

2009-2010 Celtic win shares

stat off def total

PP 2.0, 1.0, 3.1
RR 1.2, 1.2, 2.3
KG 0.8, 1.1, 1.9
RA 0.8, 0.8, 1.7
KP 0.4, 1.0, 1.4
SW 0.7, 0.5, 1.2
MD 0.3, 0.5, 0.8
RW -0.1, 0.8, 0.7
EH 0.1, 0.4, 0.4

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2008-9 Celtic win shares

stat off def total

RA 7.4, 3.7, 11.1
PP 5.5, 4.8, 10.3
RR 4.8, 5.1, 9.9
KG 3.0, 4.1, 7.1
KP 1.1, 4.5, 5.6
LP 2.7, 2.2, 4.9
EH 2.5, 5.4, 4.9
GD 1.0, 2.7, 3.7
TA -0.2, 1.8, 1.6

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2007-8 Celtic win shares

KG 6.6, 6.2, 12.9
PP 6.7, 5.7, 12.4
RA 5.6, 4.1, 9.7
RR 2.3, 4.9, 7.2
KP 1.9, 4.3, 6.2
JP 2.2, 4.0, 6.2
LP 2.7, 1.6, 4.3
EH 1.1, 2.8, 3.9
TA -0.1, 2.8, 2.7
GD 0.6, 1.9, 2.5

left out the "bench warmers".