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Sometimes I get this gut feeling that Ainge will look to trade baby. I think a combination of Williams doing well and Baby's antics could have him on Ainges hot seat. The last time I had a hunch like this was after Gabe got a DUI (coincidentally after we signed Marbs, he must have gone out and got drunk) and he never really got another chance.

If my hunch is correct I see it playing out where Baby gets a good amount of time from now until the deadline and we look for a deal.

In some ways this makes sense to me as he is our only young trading chip that is not part of the long term plan, or at least not a integral part.

Anyone else think Ainge does not see Baby long term?

I still see baby as insurance over KG....Sheed cant play a full game and be as effective as baby has proven he can be.

Just my thoughts

I think a salary trade dump is more likely with Scal and others....

I don't get that hunch at all. Baby is much needed on this team, not to mention that we got him at a bargain price - a keeper not a seller. Scal would not be getting a minute of play if Glen was healthy. Can't wait for him to come back.

Yeah, problem is your hunch is based on 6 weeks of unprecedented good play from Williams (the last 2 weeks of which have been decidedly underwhelming).

Baby's the better player in every area except defensive rebounding #s, and his shot-creation ability is needed on the 2nd unit, since we continue to play our 2nd stringers without a true point. Williams has proved to be a solid, if unspectacular player. Baby, on the other hand, can give you 20 points on occasion. There's no real comparison--Baby will have Williams' minutes within 5 games, IMO.

So, no, no trade is brewing with Baby. If I had to guess about which rotation member is most likely to be dealt before the deadline, I'd guess House.

The more I think about it, the more it's definitely not an option, IMO...unless under extreme circumstances of course. Even though I really like the way Shelden has been playing for us this year, and at one point, hoped Glen would not take Shelden's minutes when he was healthy, I have changed my mind. Glen Davis is a perimeter big man (which you may think we want to avoid any more perimeter style players) but if Glen is in the game at the same time as Sheed, it forces Sheed to play more down low.

If Shelden was the better player of the two, I'd say don't fix what isn't broken. But we all saw what Baby is capable of, and he deserves the chance to see what he can do in our rotation, rather than Scal.

I don't agree at all. You can be displeased with a player antics and in love with a guys talent. This happens all the time in the NBA.

Shelden's play has been a surprise but part of that is that he garners no defensive attention at all. I expected nothing so I am pretty pleased with him but Davis is a much better offensive player. The other issue that we have discussed with Davis and it seems to be showing itself with this team is that while Big Baby doesn't always get as many rebounds as you would want he is moving bodies around in the paint and putting people on their ass. We aren't doing a lot of that right now.

As far as off the court issues, I think Wyc is more pissed about that than Ainge is and Doc seems to only be concerned that he gets Kung Fu Big Baby back and not fat ass Big Baby.

If anything the reverse might be the case maybe some how Boston gets something for Williams by packaging him with some of the salary riff raff we have hanging around.

Davis is BYC, I think, so he's hard to trade straight up - packaged with Scal/TA you could deal him.. but I think we hang onto our expirings a little longer

Hemingway wrote:Sometimes I get this gut feeling that Ainge will look to trade baby. I think a combination of Williams doing well and Baby's antics could have him on Ainges hot seat. The last time I had a hunch like this was after Gabe got a DUI (coincidentally after we signed Marbs, he must have gone out and got drunk) and he never really got another chance.

If my hunch is correct I see it playing out where Baby gets a good amount of time from now until the deadline and we look for a deal.

In some ways this makes sense to me as he is our only young trading chip that is not part of the long term plan, or at least not a integral part.

Anyone else think Ainge does not see Baby long term?

Gut feeling or wishful thinking? Baby is a better player than Shelden, so I doubt Baby will be traded. Would be stupid to trade him then have on of the other bigs go down and have to rely on Shelden.

Cyclical wrote:I don't get that hunch at all. Baby is much needed on this team, not to mention that we got him at a bargain price - a keeper not a seller. Scal would not be getting a minute of play if Glen was healthy. Can't wait for him to come back.

I agree with this statment.

actually I agree I think the contract is decently coveted with the expiring contract combos.
Do I know what we will get no!! But I can smell it coming!!

If other teams thought Davis was a bargin at 2 yrs, 6 mil they could have signed him. Davis hasn't played due to health an attitude issues, so I can't image anyone thinks his value has gone up since the offseason. So what do we think we are going to get for Davis. Leaving aside our own personal valuations of Davis, the market appears to be telling us that he isn't going to get us much more than a trade exception or a 2nd round pick + an expiring. Given that, he is probably more valuable to our team, as front court depth, than anyone else.

I don't see it happening now but I could see it down the road. I don't know if the salaries work but if we could put together a package to land monta ellis that would give us some real punch off our bench. There are several areas where we need to improve: rebounding, back up pg and scoring off the bench. Davis helps with both rebopunding and scoring off the bench while Shelden Williams really is only a rebounder. SHelden is not going to get you 20 in a game while Davis is very capable of doing that. You also have to thtink about who you might face in the playoffs. Davis presents a problem for a lot of teams because he can shoot from the outside but he's also a load down low. Plus he can play bigger guy like shaq. On balance I would always take a big over a small .How about baby for tayshaun? Tayshaun can guard multiple positions plus is a good scorer. I just don't know if he will ever be healthy again plus he's obviously a lot older than baby

Golabki wrote:If other teams thought Davis was a bargin at 2 yrs, 6 mil they could have signed him. Davis hasn't played due to health an attitude issues, so I can't image anyone thinks his value has gone up since the offseason. So what do we think we are going to get for Davis. Leaving aside our own personal valuations of Davis, the market appears to be telling us that he isn't going to get us much more than a trade exception or a 2nd round pick + an expiring. Given that, he is probably more valuable to our team, as front court depth, than anyone else.

Plenty of teams were interested in Davis especially at a base salary of 2.5 mil a season, nobody was interested at the 4-5 mil a season it was going to take to get him away from Boston.

At present he has no trade market, teams that would have an interest would want him to fill the injury holes they have can't do that with an injured player.

The other issue with trading Davis is that he has money for next season, reasonable or not teams that are trying to make a move in FA are not going to want any player in a trade that has money beyond this year. Teams are going to give away players and draft picks just over the money.

I think certain teams, fringe playoff teams that with a young core that doesn't really have an eye to FA next season would be interested in Davis. POR specifically comes to mind with a need up front.

I say no......

The part of this that is missing is what we would hypothetically trade Baby for. If you trade him for another PF, who would it be....and if not is Shelden Williams sufficient? Without going into possible players being dumped down the road, in terms of fitting this team, the name I would think of is Ryan Gomes. You know he would fit in, and could legitimately play both at PF and SF. Possibly the Twolves would do it for longer term salary reasons, although they will be well under the cap after this season. The combination of Baby and the expiring contracts will keep the Celtics in play for future salary dumps. I don't see anything specific happening with Baby.

as always it depends on what we get back.

i don't think anyone outside of our starting 5 and maybe sheed is untradeable during the season.

i'm sure ainge will field calls and perhaps even make a few calls. packaged with an exprigin (TA or Scal) we could get back a pretty good player. i love baby and all but what if we could get a quality MLE player by packaging TA and BBD?

Lets see what he gives us first.