Will Celtics Target Mike Miller with MLE in 2010 Free Agency

[Jammer]

I was looking over the list of 2010 Free Agents that the Celtics could offer the
Full MLE to, or even split between two players.

Depending on whether Marquis Daniels has a second year as a team or player option,
depending on who you ask, and depending on whether the Celtics want to bring
back Sheldon Williams, they may be faced with splitting it between
Marquis Daniels and Sheldon Williams or

going after someone like Mike Miller.

But out of all the possible free agents, Miller is the only one that seems practicable,
other than re-signing Sheldon, Marquis, and Eddie or Iverson.

List of 2010 and 2011 Free Agents

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11

[Zin5]

Maybe.

[BakersDozen]

ive brought it up before. I think he is someone Doc would love to have on the Celtics.

[Jammer]

ive brought it up before. I think he is someone Doc would love to have on the Celtics.

I remember someone posted this thread like, maybe two months ago.

Bravo for the foresight.

When I look at the free agent list in the link in the first thread,
Mike Miller is the Unrestricted Free Agent that jumps out as
best available player for the MLE.

Since Miller is a true 6'8", he probably
can play the mobile PF spot like Posey and Scal,
all the way down to his list position of SG,
but most importantly, back up Paul Pierce.

He'd give Doc a lot of options.

The Celtics don't have a player with enough salary to make going after
Miller now feasible, though.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I think Miller could play the 2 and the 3, but not the 4- he doesn't have enough strength. One concern I have about him is his lack of durability. Also, his game has decreased considerably in the last few years, maybe due to injury

[Slartibartfast]

I don't think you can play Miller at the 4 Jammer, but I do like the idea of signing him. He could replace the House and Daniels roles all by himself as an elite shooter with size, rebounding ability, court vision and a good handle. He's also very comfortable as a role player.

[captain green]

I say that's ok by me Marquis, Eddie and Miller, williams or jarvas hayes but I would target travis outlaw the hardest though.
need at least two of the combo.

[bc legends]

pretty sure the front office will be looking to acquire him under reasonable terms

[Ed Pinkney]

At this stage in his career (as mentioned by Roscoe Sheed) his game is going south. He is a pretty average player and I would be trying to get Marquis back for a couple more years as I think he is a significantly better player than Miller.

[jmr07019]

I'd like to see the C's go after Azubuike of GS if he turns down his player option. While he probably has never been properly coached up on defense since being drafted by GS he does seem to put a decent effort foward. He's also career 41% shooter from 3 and only 25. Another target could be Raymond Felton as someone who can replicate some of the things Rondo does (set up the offense, drive and dish, play good D) on the second unit.

[NWcentric]

I think they may be targeting Miller right NOW. The Wizards are in last place and going nowhere. They will not be re-signing Miller next year.

If Boston offered Big Baby and some parts (Scal and either Tony Allen or Eddie House) and perhaps a draft pick, that might just bite now. MIller is just what the C's need... a tall wing player who can shoot to back up Pierce and Allen. THe three of them can share the time at 2/3 over the next 3 years and do alot of damage together. Miller is tough, a great shooter, and pretty clutch. Doc already loves him.

The wizards are not going to get equal value for Miller, but in Big Baby they would get a nice young big with some proven experience and upside. With Sheldon Williams stepping up and Sheed playing most of the backup 4 role anyway, Big Baby is not needed as much as he was before.

This move also clears two roster spots-one to be filled by Ty Lue and the other by a project big man (MIchael Sweetney, anyone?).

[Jammer]

I think they may be targeting Miller right NOW. The Wizards are in last place and going nowhere. They will not be re-signing Miller next year.

If Boston offered Big Baby and some parts (Scal and either Tony Allen or Eddie House) and perhaps a draft pick, that might just bite now. MIller is just what the C's need... a tall wing player who can shoot to back up Pierce and Allen. THe three of them can share the time at 2/3 over the next 3 years and do alot of damage together. Miller is tough, a great shooter, and pretty clutch. Doc already loves him.

The wizards are not going to get equal value for Miller, but in Big Baby they would get a nice young big with some proven experience and upside. With Sheldon Williams stepping up and Sheed playing most of the backup 4 role anyway, Big Baby is not needed as much as he was before.

This move also clears two roster spots-one to be filled by Ty Lue and the other by a project big man (MIchael Sweetney, anyone?).

It has already been discussed in other threads that the reason that the Celtics would not try to trade for Miller NOW is they would have to give up too many players to offset his final $9.6 Million contract year.

It would take Scal + Tony + Giddens + Walker + Hudson.
Even if Lue replaced Hudson, the Celtics would be left with 12 players,
if the Celtics could find teams to accept everyone else.
Scal would be the problem. The Celtics could probably find homes for everyone else.

[jmr07019]

It has already been discussed in other threads that the reason that the Celtics would not try to trade for Miller NOW is they would have to give up too many players to offset his final $9.6 Million contract year.

It would take Scal + Tony + Giddens + Walker + Hudson.
Even if Lue replaced Hudson, the Celtics would be left with 12 players,
if the Celtics could find teams to accept everyone else.
Scal would be the problem. The Celtics could probably find homes for everyone else.

If Davis (3 million) is included with Scal (3.4 mil) and TA (2.5 mil) the total salary sent out would be 8.9 mil (times 1.25 + .1 = 11.125 mil) which would make the deal work.

IDK Miller's contract details but if he has Bird right's then we'd probably pull the trigger. It'd allow us to resign him without using the MLE and adding talent in ways other than using exceptions is difficult with the trade assets we have right now. Miller would provide the third 3 point threat to the second unit, something that's currently missing. With Daniels, Williams and another non 3 point threat on the floor with the second unit the floor gets very conjested and as a result Pierce or Ray has to play extra minutes. Miller would allow both an extra couple minutes of rest per game to both players. Additionally he would provide better insurance to Pierce / Ray missing extended time than Quis since Rondo / Quis / Perk being on the floor at the same time would allow teams to really pack the paint on us.

However if there are no Bird rights in his deal it would leave the cupboard rather dry for Danny. (Since we only signed Sheldon and Quis to one year deals there are no bird rights for them and to bring them back we'd need to use the MLE.) Sheed and Hudson would be the only bench players signed going into next season and we'd have options on Giddens and Walker along with bird rights for House. We'd probably take the options and resign House just to get some bodies on the team but we'd be left to fill out the the rest of the roster with only the MLE, our first round pick, and our second round pick. In an optimistic view Daniels and Sheed would split the MLE and we'd essentially have the bench we have now plus draft picks. However that's a large risk to take and not worth it considering we could get something else.

[NWcentric]

Jammer-

No sure what was "previously discussed", but the fact is that House/Scal/Tony Allen does indeed work as a trade for Mike Miller. You can also substitute Baby for House, which is what I was proposing.

I don't see how this leaves the cupboards bare at all...even if they did have to include a fourth player, which they do not. The fact is that Tony Allen is not needed if they have Miller (and especially when Daniels returns). Scal would be missed as a flexible sub, but if you have the chance to land a proven, impact player like Miller, I think you pull the trigger.

[Al n' Perk No Layups!]

If Davis (3 million) is included with Scal (3.4 mil) and TA (2.5 mil) the total salary sent out would be 8.9 mil (times 1.25 + .1 = 11.125 mil) which would make the deal work.

Incorrect. Davis is a BYC player so he is only worth 1.5 mil in a trade.

[Jammer]

Thanks al'nperknolayups.

What BYC means is that Davis is outgoing $3 Million, but counts for $1.5 Million of Incoming Salary.

Damn, the Celtics could have used him by sending to New Orleans, since the Hornets
have a $4 Million trade exception.

So, getting back to Washington and Mike Miller, it's either
Scal + Tony + Davis + Giddens or
Scal + Tony + Eddie.

Miller essentially replaces Scalabrine, Tony and Giddens, but
the Celtics can always use another shooter. I don't see them letting Eddie go,
especially since Scal's 3 point shot is simply being swapped for Miller's (and Miller's overall game).

So, I think the more likely trade would be Scal + Tony + Giddens + Davis.

Davis could be replaced by Lester Hudson and Billy Walker, by the way.

Washington has 13 guaranteed contracts, with 2 unguaranteed (one their 3rd string PG).
So, Washington could take any two players, meaning Scalabrine and Tony Allen.

Other teams would have to take Davis (New Orleans), yielding say two second round picks,
one of which would have to go to Washington.

And then a third team would have to take Giddens,
would anyone give up a second round pick for Giddens???

[cisco]

Thanks al'nperknolayups.

What BYC means is that Davis is outgoing $3 Million, but counts for $1.5 Million of Incoming Salary.

Damn, the Celtics could have used him by sending to New Orleans, since the Hornets
have a $4 Million trade exception.

So, getting back to Washington and Mike Miller, it's either
Scal + Tony + Davis + Giddens or
Scal + Tony + Eddie.

Miller essentially replaces Scalabrine, Tony and Giddens, but
the Celtics can always use another shooter. I don't see them letting Eddie go,
especially since Scal's 3 point shot is simply being swapped for Miller's (and Miller's overall game).

So, I think the more likely trade would be Scal + Tony + Giddens + Davis.

Davis could be replaced by Lester Hudson and Billy Walker, by the way.

Washington has 13 guaranteed contracts, with 2 unguaranteed (one their 3rd string PG).
So, Washington could take any two players, meaning Scalabrine and Tony Allen.

Other teams would have to take Davis (New Orleans), yielding say two second round picks,
one of which would have to go to Washington.

And then a third team would have to take Giddens,
would anyone give up a second round pick for Giddens???

I see you're still desperately trying to get rid of Baby. lol

[Avalanche]

I wonder if they will look at Tmac with the MLE...

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I wonder if they will look at Tmac with the MLE...

I think there's a very good chance we at least throw the LLE at him. Then again, I'm not too sure how things ended between him and Doc Rivers.