Golden State In Trade Mode

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:49 pm

"willing to do anything and everything" - just like that poster on craigslist.

Would you (for example) trade expirings for VladRad and Randolph? Betray Ray Allen for Ellis/Maggette? Etc. etc.

hiphop1 · Post #2 » by **hiphop1** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:56 pm

I would offer Scal,Ta and House for Maggette

MyInsatiableOne · Post #3 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:00 pm

I would do all of those except trade Ray...

Captain_Caveman · Post #4 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:05 pm

I don't think we have the assets or the payroll flexibility to make a good deal with them.

I'd avoid Maggette at all costs, personally. Monta and Biedrins are good role players who are not worth their contracts. Randolph being tutored by KG, and Morrow being a cheap replacement for Allen are intruiging possibilities, but not sure how you get there. Curry would also look very nice on our team, but like Randolph, he wouldn't be ready to help us win now. I do like Turiaf in that context, however.

I wouldn't take Radmanovic off the waiver wire on a minimum deal. Brandan Wright is made of glass, and Azubuike is, well... better than TA if he were healthy.

They should have a very high draft pick as well this summer.

Hmmm.... at the end of the day, the most likely trade would probably be for Raja Bell, provided he can come back this year.

Avalanche · Post #5 » by **Avalanche** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:14 pm

Was a bit more interested when Jax was there as i thought he would come for cheap..

Mags' contract is too big, cant get Ellis without Ray, Randolph and Morrow arent going anywhere for our scraps.. I like Biedrins but hes a bit redundant here and has a big deal

Bigmiketruth · Post #6 » by **Bigmiketruth** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:01 am

SMH. Why would you target Maggette? Nevermind the contract, he's the worst kind of player for the Celtics. I'd move anyone outside of starters/sheed for Randolph though.

Maple Green · Post #7 » by **Maple Green** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:31 am

I like Morrow and Randolph land on our team for Davis,Scal and TA

Havlicek17 · Post #8 » by **Havlicek17** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:33 am

Adrian Wojnarowski: Warriors’ Randolph on block again

For two seasons, the Warriors have had an odd time with Anthony Randolph. Sometimes, they’re in love with his sheer athletic ability in that 7-foot frame and considered him untouchable. As a rookie, they dangled him in deals, too. Well, it’s happening again. Several NBA teams say Golden State officials have offered Randolph in trade discussions, but as one Eastern Conference executive said: “I think all of their roster could be had.”

Says one Western official: “The Warriors are willing to do anything and everything.”

Randolph is 20 years old and blessed with terrific talent, but his staying power and maturity have frustrated Golden State officials. It appears they’re willing to cash his potential for more mature assets. After destroying the summer league in Vegas, Randolph has averaged 11.1 points in 21.8 minutes per night for the Warriors.

Even with his patriarch, Keith Smart, substituting for an ill Don Nelson, Randolph’s productivity hasn’t improved. Still, he’s so young, so gifted, it’s a move that would come with a great deal of long-term risk.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

This is from the Warriors board.

This is another article from the Contra Costa Times:

http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/12 ... touchable/

There are a few players on GS I'd go after with our expirings and maybe Davis.

bc legends · Post #9 » by **bc legends** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:09 am

Maple Green wrote:I like Morrow and Randolph land on our team for Davis,Scal and TA

the majority would, it's just not likely to happen

SonicYouth34 · Post #10 » by **SonicYouth34** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:41 am

I wouldn't mind seeing Azubukie in green. I really like him and he can play at a high enough level that Doc can rest Ray some more.

old rem · Post #11 » by **old rem** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:08 pm

bc legends wrote:
Maple Green wrote:I like Morrow and Randolph land on our team for Davis,Scal and TA

the majority would, it's just not likely to happen

Duh???

I rather think GSW is NOT about to give away 2 year 2 low $ guys who project as starters for the next 5-10 yr.

Davis... a slow moving wide body who's been injured is exactly what GSW would not want. Mere expiring crap for Morrow...who hits 50% from 3? Fat chance.

GSW's "Team Fiasco" front office may blunder into a poor deal, but will need SOME motive, which this fails badly to provide. I suspect this "rumor" is deceptive. Yeah...GSW is floundering, but getting REAMED trading young,low $ talent with impact potential for NOTHING? How does that help?

old rem · Post #12 » by **old rem** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:11 pm

SonicYouth34 wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing Azubukie in green. I really like him and he can play at a high enough level that Doc can rest Ray some more.

Azu is out of commission for awhile, but is a mega athlete who starts,is low $,is tough, is great from 3. I don't see who the Celts can offer who does any of that for GSW.

old rem · Post #13 » by **old rem** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:21 pm

If GSW's whole plan is to just shut down the franchise, sell off assets and just close the doors.....
Then they want cash. Otherwise....this is crap. Teams WANT young, low $/high upside stuff. GSW can't get much for Maggette or Vlad Rad, seen as "bad contract" guys. Why on earth does GSW trade a lot of young cost effective FUTURE for a "win now" plan that fails to do more than MAYBE reach .500?

Keep the players, can the coach...that's a step. The Celts don't have the chips to get involved even if GSW goes into panic mode.

elrod enchilada · Post #14 » by **elrod enchilada** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:37 pm

I agree with the analysis. The only way the Cs can get in on a deal is if GS is desperate to dump Maggette, who is owed an absurd $30 million (for the new NBA economy) from 2010 to 2013. GS cannot give Maggette's contract away in this economy. The Cs would probably not want to touch Maggette, either, because he is overpaid for the role he would play on the team and he would but the Cs deep in luxury tax land.

GS can get a helluva lot more for Randolph if he is traded on his own. If they want to dump Maggette's deal, I doubt they can top this.

But let's say Wyc said "screw it, let's go for it." This is a deal that clears.

Boston trades: Scal, Tony Allen, Shelden Williams, Big Baby Davis, JR Giddens, 2010 #1 pick, 2012 #1 pick, 2014 no. 1 pick, $3 million cash

GS trades: Maggette, Randolph, Mikki Moore

In effect, GS gets massive cap relief, Big Baby, cash, and three no. 1 picks in exchange for Randolph. If the team is on the market this just raised the value dramatically.

The Cs get major relief for Paul and Ray at the swing positions and a tremendous young prospect at the 4 to be groomed by KG. The Cs downside is they lose three no. 1 picks and they have a massive payroll. If Maggette proves cancerous or Randolph fails to develop, the deal is a stink bomb. If Maggette gets along well and Randolph develops, it is a deal for the ages.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #15 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:38 pm

Just contract the team already. The franchise is a complete mess, and should be the epitome of how not to run a franchise. At the very least, they should fire that drunk they call a head coach.

Captain_Caveman · Post #16 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:43 pm

old rem wrote:Azu is out of commission for awhile, but is a mega athlete who starts,is low $,is tough, is great from 3. I don't see who the Celts can offer who does any of that for GSW.

Before people start getting too carried away, let's just point out that Azubuike is not very skilled. He's just chiseled and he works hard.

Let's also keep in mind that starting for the Warriors is like being a bench player for most other teams. Your starters would be our bench. Literally... even Monta would be a 6th man on the Celts.

Having watched a lot of both guys, I think Buke is basically on par with Tony Allen (who would also start for your team). Buke probably works better for us, as he is a better 3-point shooter and doesn't make as many dumb mistakes that could cost us a playoff game someday. But OTOH, TA is a better scorer, defender and dribbler. He could probably average 15 on a lottery team easily enough.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #17 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:27 pm

Keep in mind that 3-team deals happen fairly often in today's NBA. We don't want a player like Biedrins, who'd be an overpaid backup to Perk, but the W's might be willing to trade Randolph if they could unload Biedrins and Maggette in the same deal - say, for Ray Allen's expiring contract. Maggette could go to Boston, Biedrins could get funneled to a third team.. and, obviously, only if Ray comes back after a 2-week vacation.

A lot depends on our ownership, too - we've got a huge expiring contract that could make a big splash in a trade.. but even Portland, with the most generous owner in the league, passed up the chance to deal Lafrentz's expiring deal.

At the very least, I hope we turn Scal/Allen into something, even if it's just a vet with an additional year and a first round pick.

Captain_Caveman · Post #18 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:56 pm

Maggette is really not what we need.

We need someone to defend Kobe and LeBron, not take shots away from more capable scorers.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #19 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:07 pm

Maggette coming off the bench would take shots away from Marquis Daniels, Tony Allen, Shelden Williams; he excels at getting to the free throw line and is physically tough, so guys like Kobe and Lebron would get a little beat up when Maggette's in rather than sitting on the bench or guarding Bill Walker. Plus, taking away some minutes and responsibility from Pierce and Allen gives both more energy to focus on defense.

It is a chemistry risk and a long-term gamble, and someone like Battier would be ideal. But if you can trade spare parts for Maggette, you do it and you figure things out as you go..

GreenDreamer · Post #20 » by **GreenDreamer** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:47 pm

I'd love for Randolph to end up here. I wouldn't be willing to take on Maggette to do that. Golden State overpaid by a lot for him, and paid the price. He would have been a nice fit here at the MLE last season. Still would be.... at the MLE.

I think that Randolph has huge potential and a very high IQ for the game (natural aptitude is not the same as actual knowledge). I just like his natural instincts. You can see that he wants to do the right thing out there, and just doesn't always know how to go about doing that. Nelson seems to have completely stopped teaching his players and just shuffles guys in and out of the lineup according to his whim.

The guy is super long, and excellent athlete and has the ability to handle the ball and pass it. Case in point: he has a 4.6 assist to bad pass ratio, according to 82games.com. That is OUTSTANDING for a guy of his age and position. KG has one of 5.1. The problem with Randolph is that he draws too many charges and ball handling turnovers, which are probably the result of that crazy system they run there, and a lack of basic direction from his coach. Not having a point guard doesn't help either.

I like his mentality on both ends of the floor. He seems to be a fairly tough kid and tries hard whenever I watch him play. Put him on a team like ours, and he'd be playing very efficient ball within half a season, once our coaching staff and players worked him up and into it. By playoff time he'd be killing it.