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Damn. Now that's what I call a western standoff.

NBA all-star Gilbert Arenas and his Washing ton Wizards teammate Javaris Crittenton drew guns on each other in the team's locker room during a Christmas Eve dispute over a gambling debt, The Post has learned.

League sources say the pistol-packing point guards had heaters at the ready inside the Verizon Center, the Washington, DC, home of the Wizards -- whose name was changed from the Bullets over gun- violence concerns.

It was the three- time all-star Arenas, 27, who went for his gun first, sources said, draw ing on the 22-year-old Crittenton, who quickly brandished a firearm as well.

The duel in DC -- unprecedented in sports history -- was sparked when Crittenton became enraged at the veteran guard for refusing to make good on a gambling debt, a source said.

"I'm not your punk!" Crittenton shouted at Arenas, according to a league source close to the Wizards.

That prompted Arenas to draw on Crittenton, who then also grabbed for a gun, league security sources said.

The Wizards announced on Christmas Day that Arenas had admitted to bringing guns to the locker room and had turned them over to team security. No ammunition was handed over.

The NBA club's statement didn't disclose how Wizards officials discovered that Arenas was storing weapons on the job.

But a league source said Arenas' weapons were uncovered only after the confrontation with Crittenton.

Wizards General Manager Ernie Grunfeld declined to comment. "It's in the hands of [Washington] authorities," said Grunfeld, a former star Knicks player and president. "We're going to get to the bottom of this, if there is a bottom to this."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/n ... SuVKDQ8XBO

Crittendon has to be careful, Arenas is a good shooter. No wonder this hasn't got out. I'm sure the Wiz were trying to keep it quiet so they coul trade Gilbert's awful contract. Alas no one wants him.

This isn't the mythical wild west. I hope these morons are prosecuted to the fullest extent. And if true, Arenas is even more of punk after saying "I brought my guns to get rid of them because of my kids."

The Wizards need to Telfair on their team asap.

If Crittenton was drawn upon first and doesn't wish to press charges, there is no crime. There must be a victim, a hurt or damaged party for a crime to have occurred. That being said, I guess Washington could attempt to get out from underneath the Arenas contract now if that is what they really want to do that because of some moral stipulation of the bi-lateral contact he signed with Washington.

I am in no way condoning this behavior, however.

I hope for Washington's sake that this will let them get out from under Arena's awful contract.

I told ya Gilbert's acquirable.

celticsfanforlife wrote:I told ya Gilbert's acquirable.

hahahaaahaa

Taget wrote:I hope for Washington's sake that this will let them get out from under Arena's awful contract.

Thats what I thought....If you are allowed to pull a gun on a team mate and not have ur contract cancelled.....crazy crazy crazy....

So they both had guns in the locker rooms........

Good luck sweeping this one under the rug Stern.

I agree with others in hoping this makes it possible for Washington to void that contract.

How do millionaire athletes still make stupid mistakes like this like they're living in a box in the middle of a city? Don't they just stop for a second and go "hey, I've got millions of dollars riding on this, I shouldn't **** it up" or "I've got it really good, I don't need to live like a thug." There's no reason for them to have to own a gun.

There's definitely reason to own a handgun, especially in the DC metro area, the club scene can get wild in the wrong areas. The same can be said in any similar location worldwide. Thats why its constitutionally amended and remains justified to this day.

However, its clear that bringing the handgun to the arena is a different situation. Doesn't make much sense to me, unless they have a longstanding beef and thought it was gonna come down to a showdown or something? Even so, thats bananas. When keeping it real goes wrong...

I want to know more details. Are the guns registered? How did the players get them through security?

Those are the two details that should really matter in this. Their behavior is obviously out of order and shouldn't even be discussed until the legality is cleared. The behavior will be punished accordingly.

Either way, it should cue the government on the fact that an unregistered gun is never more dangerous than a registered gun, if its in the wrong hands. I personally think that this behavior is more criminal than what Plaxico did, but will get far less legal prosecution and that stands to put the law in question..

I would like to add that its situations like these that put Stern in a tough position because this should really be a team and stadium issue and not a league issue. If people don't want Stern to make any more decisions, then teams need to take it in their own hands to punish players when its called for. Teams get scared to enflame the player's so they leave it to the league office in most cases. That's why the NBA has been getting worse...take it out of Stern's hands..please...

'A number of NBA sources believe that commissioner David Stern is going to issue stiff penalties to Washington guards Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton.

The league is investigating whether Arenas had accessed any of his unloaded firearms while engaged in the dispute prior to a team practice at the Verizon Center on Dec. 21.

The District of Columbia has stringent gun laws that prohibit the carrying of weapons, openly or concealed.

Both players could be subject to penalties and fines.'


Didnt know that DC had laws prohibiting all carrying of weapons. I guess it makes sense that the Senate sits in a location unbounded by the Constitution though..

celticsfanforlife wrote:'
Didnt know that DC had laws prohibiting all carrying of weapons. I guess it makes sense that the Senate sits in a location unbounded by the Constitution though..

There are a lot of "interesting" things about DC. First and foremost, those are statutes and not laws. If you come to my house for a party and I tell you that you must enter through the side door, if you want to play in my ballpark, you need to play by my ground rules. Now, there is a bit of intentional wordplay here. "Must", in legal terms, can mean "may". Also, until refuted, I can assume and presume that if you gain privilege or benefit from my party, you will play by my rules. If you come to my house when I am not having a party and you enter through the front door (assuming you were invited), have you broken any laws? Is there an injured party?

Secondly, if you are ever interested in doing some research, I would first point you to the unratified 14th amendment and how it applies to the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc and the "Citizens." Are you a "Citizen"? I served time in the US Army, I love my country but I will not and adamantly refuse to be classified as a "Citizen".

I will give you a hint, though. The Constitution is a contract and it doesn't apply to you and me. It applies to the trustees (the legislature.) Go ahead, try to argue the Constitution in one of our modern day "courts". Padelford, Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah, [14 Georgia 438, 520].

Essentially the 14th amendment has taken your "rights" and transformed them into "benefits" and "privileges". It is those "privileges" and "benefits" which has turned virtually every sovereign American into a bond servant. If you need proof, I advise you to check the red bond number (the only field on the birth certificate that is not clearly marked for a purpose) on the back of your birth certificate. That number actually makes you chattel to the US Government (a corporation) so they can pay off their bankruptcy. The one that makes you a bond servant is the red number on the back of your Social Security Card. The number on the back of the SSN actually makes you a trustee of the US Corporation and liable for debt of the US Government. BTW, you are prohibited from publically questioning the debt of the USA .

Columbians argue a moot point when they decry taxation without representation. The unilateral contract(s) they are assumed and presumed to have gained benefit and privilege from have nothing to do with representation. The people of the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Outlying Marshall Islands are the only "US Citizens" or rather a corporate citizen, if you will, and, therefor, have to play by the statutory rules of the mother corporation (USA, inc.)

You, me and most others, I presume, are sovereign American and NOT corporate citizens. I advise anyone reading this to understand the difference and to rectify the assumptions and presumptions of this corrupt system.

Pogue Mahone wrote:

celticsfanforlife wrote:'
Didnt know that DC had laws prohibiting all carrying of weapons. I guess it makes sense that the Senate sits in a location unbounded by the Constitution though..

There are a lot of "interesting" things about DC. First and foremost, those are statutes and not laws. If you come to my house for a party and I tell you that you must enter through the side door, if you want to play in my ballpark, you need to play by my ground rules. Now, there is a bit of intentional wordplay here. "Must", in legal terms, can mean "may". Also, until refuted, I can assume and presume that if you gain privilege or benefit from my party, you will play by my rules. If you come to my house when I am not having a party and you enter through the front door (assuming you were invited), have you broken any laws? Is there an injured party?

Secondly, if you are ever interested in doing some research, I would first point you to the unratified 14th amendment and how it applies to the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc and the "Citizens." Are you a "Citizen"? I served time in the US Army, I love my country but I will not and adamantly refuse to be classified as a "Citizen".

I will give you a hint, though. The Constitution is a contract and it doesn't apply to you and me. It applies to the trustees (the legislature.) Go ahead, try to argue the Constitution in one of our modern day "courts". Padelford, Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah, [14 Georgia 438, 520].

Essentially the 14th amendment has taken your "rights" and transformed them into "benefits" and "privileges". It is those "privileges" and "benefits" which has turned virtually every sovereign American into a bond servant. If you need proof, I advise you to check the red bond number (the only field on the birth certificate that is not clearly marked for a purpose) on the back of your birth certificate. That number actually makes you chattel to the US Government (a corporation) so they can pay off their bankruptcy. The one that makes you a bond servant is the red number on the back of your Social Security Card. The number on the back of the SSN actually makes you a trustee of the US Corporation and liable for debt of the US Government. BTW, you are prohibited from publically questioning the debt of the USA .

Columbians argue a moot point when they decry taxation without representation. The unilateral contract(s) they are assumed and presumed to have gained benefit and privilege from have nothing to do with representation. The people of the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Outlying Marshall Islands are the only "US Citizens" or rather a corporate citizen, if you will, and, therefor, have to play by the statutory rules of the mother corporation (USA, inc.)

You, me and most others, I presume, are sovereign American and NOT corporate citizens. I advise anyone reading this to understand the difference and to rectify the assumptions and presumptions of this corrupt system.

Pogue, I think that this is my favorite post of yours. Worthy of immortal RealGM status.

celticsfanforlife wrote:There's definitely reason to own a handgun, especially in the DC metro area, the club scene can get wild in the wrong areas. The same can be said in any similar location worldwide. Thats why its constitutionally amended and remains justified to this day.

Even in that case. If you are worth that much money and your behavior could detrimentally affect those earnings and you are target just by being high profile. At the very least hire a bodyguard. Let them take the legal risk for you.

Where caring happens.

On the one hand, I'm completely bewildered at how MORONIC this incident is. On the other, anything that portrays Stern in a negative light is good.

Certainly. I agree with that.

Pogue, good work. Ive been trying to rectify the system myself. I started asking questions along time ago and found some shady answers in places I didnt want to.

I didnt have to look further than the "incorporated in 17.." signs around Connecticut nor the fact that you cannot opt of Social Security although the contract itself showed no consent on behalf of the signor, and the explanation of the system itself is not outside of fraudulence.

I would like to throw in how the Federal Reserve was drafted by a German Nationalist and passed through a earmark, and how the shares were divied up between the member banks to cover bankruptcy...marked by the gold trim in some courts of law...but one seems to wonder, while there may not be deaf ears out there like some people are too busy making pleas or hiding.

Step one is auditing the Fed. It passed HoR but not Senate yet. Thatll chase out some of the crooks but help hide others. We gotta be careful, as a people, to not leave any rock uncovered. The crookiest crooks are the ones who are never found...