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Just about every day there is a thread including a trade idea where Ray Allen goes to a team looking for cap space and then being bought out so he can return to the Celtics.

This will not happen.

Stop ing yourself. I just read one where Ray would go to Utah for Boozer and the Knicks first be bought out and return to Boston. That is not happening. Especially in this scenario, Utah is a playoff contender, their own draft pick will not be that great and they would never buy out Ray.

Ray is not the type of player that gets bought out. If Eddy Curry were in that last year of his contract, he'd be the type of player that gets bought out. Ray still earns his money. No GM is going to trade something of value for Ray just to buy him out. His fans would howler.

So stop suggesting Ray can be traded and bought out. It just isn't happening.

well the reasoning would be that if the team trading for ray wanted to unload a big contract to be players in 2010, they would also want to have a higher draft pick.. having ray would only help them win a few more games and lessen their chances of having a top pick

but no, it isnt very likely... if we trade ray it has to be for an upgrade somehow

haha, thank you.

i think it's just an absurd idea. ray is not some kind of unproductive cancer. other teams aren't in the business of doing us favors just for the hell of it.

if we trade him it should be for a clearly better/younger player. i'd think about him for JJ for example.

BOSTON, MA (March 4, 2005) -- The Boston Celtics announced today that they have signed free agent guard Gary Payton. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.
Payton, who was waived by the Atlanta Hawks March 1, 2005, has appeared in 54 games for the Celtics this season, all starts, averaging 12.1 points, 6.1 assists and 1.2 steals in 32.8 minutes per game. The nine-time All-Star was traded to Atlanta, along with Tom Gugliotta, Michael Stewart and a future first round draft choice, in exchange for Antoine Walker on February 24, 2005.

Starter, playing 33 minutes, contributing - the only differences were Payton's age & salary. Happened with McDyess in the Iverson trade. I'm sure there are other examples..

I disagree completely! If Ray Allen is traded it will be for salary cap purposes and probably to a team that isn`t making the playoffs. A team like that would be interested in saving more money by buying out Ray...I think a scenario like that is very likely as a matter of fact...

Like I said in another thread - even if Ray were to be bought out by another team, it would be tough to lose him for 30 days. Unless we can get someone who can fill in admirably for Ray in the meantime, I wouldn't be comfortable with the idea of being without him. Losing those games could potentially cost the team homecourt advantage in as early as the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Can anyone name players who we could trade Ray for, that could fill in for him while he's gone for 30 days? I can't think of too many.

thebirdman wrote:I disagree completely! If Ray Allen is traded it will be for salary cap purposes and probably to a team that isn`t making the playoffs. A team like that would be interested in saving more money by buying out Ray...I think a scenario like that is very likely as a matter of fact...

Not likely at all for the simple reason,

The Celtics are not trading Ray Allen.

Martin+Nocioni
Hamilton+Prince
Ellis+Magette
Igoudala+Dalambert
Salmons+Hinrich
Butler+Jamison

Celts17Pride wrote:
Not likely at all for the simple reason,

The Celtics are not trading Ray Allen.

Looking at our financial situation this is our only chance to make a significant roster upgrade until 2012. IMO, we should take advantage of the opportunity if the right deal comes along...

thebirdman wrote:

Celts17Pride wrote:
Not likely at all for the simple reason,

The Celtics are not trading Ray Allen.

Looking at our financial situation this is our only chance to make a significant roster upgrade until 2012. IMO, we should take advantage of the opportunity if the right deal comes along...

The Celtics are trying to win the title this season, they are not going to break up the chemistry of the new Big 3 in the middle of the season. Pierce and KG would have a fit. Not going to happen. Not to mention Ray Allen has been more reliable then Pierce or KG this season.

andy582 wrote:

BOSTON, MA (March 4, 2005) -- The Boston Celtics announced today that they have signed free agent guard Gary Payton. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.
Payton, who was waived by the Atlanta Hawks March 1, 2005, has appeared in 54 games for the Celtics this season, all starts, averaging 12.1 points, 6.1 assists and 1.2 steals in 32.8 minutes per game. The nine-time All-Star was traded to Atlanta, along with Tom Gugliotta, Michael Stewart and a future first round draft choice, in exchange for Antoine Walker on February 24, 2005.

Starter, playing 33 minutes, contributing - the only differences were Payton's age & salary. Happened with McDyess in the Iverson trade. I'm sure there are other examples..

I remember reading somewhere that the rules for this have changed. Now a player must be on the team that they are traded to for 30 days before they are bought out or something along those lines, I'm not sure exactly. I do know that they changed the rules regarding this so a situation like this doesn't occur.

And I agree with what another poster said earlier in this thread, Ray Allen isn't a player you're gonna need to buy out. He's a good locker room guy and he puts up numbers and does his job. If anything you'd want to keep him.

But all in all, there's no chance the Celtics look to move Ray Allen this season. That's kind of rediculous.

theman wrote:Just about every day there is a thread including a trade idea where Ray Allen goes to a team looking for cap space and then being bought out so he can return to the Celtics.

This will not happen.

Stop ing yourself. I just read one where Ray would go to Utah for Boozer and the Knicks first be bought out and return to Boston. That is not happening. Especially in this scenario, Utah is a playoff contender, their own draft pick will not be that great and they would never buy out Ray.

Ray is not the type of player that gets bought out. If Eddy Curry were in that last year of his contract, he'd be the type of player that gets bought out. Ray still earns his money. No GM is going to trade something of value for Ray just to buy him out. His fans would howler.

So stop suggesting Ray can be traded and bought out. It just isn't happening.

Well thanks for clearing that up Mr. Ainge.

Fact of the matter is, we have never seen anything like the way the NBA's current state is right now. The economy is still not great and there are going to be absolute stud players in Free Agency. I would not rule out anything, however unlikely.

thebirdman wrote:Martin+Nocioni
Hamilton+Prince
Ellis+Magette
Igoudala+Dalambert
Salmons+Hinrich
Butler+Jamison

Martin - enh, I'm not sold on the fact that the Kings would give up on this kid so easily. Yes, Evans is a natural 2 guard, but he can also play PG. Then again, the Maloofs' pockets are hurting. If offered, I would do this trade. Nocioni would also be nice to have.

Hamilton + Prince - also feasible. Another trade I would agree to. Dumars still owes Ainge a favor, but I still think Detroit could do better than our expirings and late 1st round picks.

Ellis + Maggette - I hate Magette's contract. No thanks. I doubt the Warriors would throw in Ellis just to rid themselves of Maggette.

Iggy and Sammy - also another trade I'd do, but highly doubtful they'd deal with a division rival. Remember, this is the same team that didn't want to trade AI to us in exchange for Jefferson/Boozer, only because they didn't want AI burning them 3-4 times a year.

Salmons + Hinrich - clears up capspace for the Bulls. However, seeing as how they still might be able to make the playoffs, I think the Bulls would actually keep Ray Allen.

Butler + Jamison - Butler is intriguing. Jamison's contract looks awful though.

But it does prove (assuming any of the other teams say yes) that there are deals out there that would keep the team at a high level while ray was gone

in half those trades we are a better team regardless of whether he came back or not

andy582 wrote:Starter, playing 33 minutes, contributing - the only differences were Payton's age & salary. Happened with McDyess in the Iverson trade. I'm sure there are other examples..

Neither of those guys were near Allen's level at that time. Payton had fallen off a lot more than Ray, who is still All Star caliber. McDyess was solid, but still a role player.

Also, both of those guys were basically throw-ins in the deal; at least McDyess was.

I wonder who that pick turned into anyway?

Celts17Pride wrote:The Celtics are trying to win the title this season, they are not going to break up the chemistry of the new Big 3 in the middle of the season. Pierce and KG would have a fit. Not going to happen. Not to mention Ray Allen has been more reliable then Pierce or KG this season.

That is why in any deal I would want Ray back. He takes 30 days off and then returns to the starting lineup...Do I think he will be dealt? No! But Danny said he would have traded McHale, Bird, Parish, so we will see if he trades Ray...

That pick we traded with Payton for Walker was something.

It looks like it...

It was the pick we got along with Payton from LA.

We traded to Atlanta with Payton for Antoine.

Atlanta sent it to Phoenix in the Joe Johnson deal.

and...the pick got traded again, for a future Cleveland #1 (eventually Rudy Fernandez)...and we took Rajon Rondo!

we got the rudy pick for Jiri Welsch btw

I completely disagree with the premise of this thread on 2 levels.

First, you can't say something has no chance of happening, it may have a very low chance, but it still has a chance. I would be interested to know the exact rule change, but as far as I know it is within the rules and giving Ray and month off at his age might not be a bad idea. Its not like the regular season games are THAT important if we are getting a good player for a month w/o ray.

Secondly, if all the trade ray and get him back ideas are bothering you, just remember this is a wannabe GM message board.

Hemingway wrote:Secondly, if all the trade ray and get him back ideas are bothering you, just remember this is a wannabe GM message board.

They don't bother me they are just silly with less than .000000001% chance of happening.