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I am no reactionary. I've been holding it in all year because i thought Rasheed was a good Defensive presents no matter his Antoine Walker like offense.

The UGLY:

- Rasheed does not run the court: He is always the last one up court, barely walking up to the 3pt line, and pausing for a 3pt shot.
- Rashee is shooting 28% on 3pt fg%. Does Rasheed ever play the post?

The BAD:

- Rasheed plays lazy defense. : He is capable of playing KG type defense, but prefers to stand and do nothing.
- Rasheed doesn't jump/fight for rebounds. He also doesn't box out all the time.

The GOOD:

- Vet leadership
- When he wants to plays very good Man-Up Defense
- Plays well in post, when he goes in rarely
- Steps up in Big Games

the bad

not in shape, will get every touch foul called on him, tech fouls.

the good

he is playing big mins to get in shape, his d is underrated, he denies his man the ball and knocks the ball away before his man gets it, and he often gets help blocks, that are called fouls.

he shoots 28% for 3, and guys hate him, scal shoots it at 25%, guys cheer for him. he has posted a lot lot more lately, and u can see it will be huge weapon for us against the small teams like atlanta while his shooting from 3 kill big teams like cavs.

after he got ejected, he's kept his cool, behind the scenes, the talk that i asked for earlier has been done. he is worth more then his salary. and is best big man off bench in league.

Darth Celtic wrote:the good

is best big man off bench in league.

He may or may not be, but I can probably name on one hand the number of bench bigs who can adequately replace KG as a starter.

People need to get off Rasheed. He's a headcase (somewhat reformed? probably not) in the relative twilight of his career who is a little too enamored with shooting threes. This isn't recent news. He's still a highly effective player. What were you expecting, an allstar?

Don't think they would have won tonight without him

i disagree that sheed plays lazy D. he's isnt spasmodic like KG, pounding the floor on all fours, but his D has been very very good. sheed is not a fast twitch guy, he is more smooth, but he keeps good positioning and contests shots on help D. he is not the greatest rebounder, but we knew that going in, his rebound rate is fairly average for a C/PF.

he is definitely too in love with 3's, but damn he's hit some big ones. the two last night were huge for our comeback.

basically i think he's exactly what we expected (or should have expected). as a starter he's just OK, but as a bench guy he's among the best big men off the bench in the L. i'm so much more comfortable when we lose KG to injury or fouls (or perk for that matter). i'm happy with what we've gotten from sheed.

Were getting a good deal considering what we paid.

Hemingway wrote:Were getting a good deal considering what we paid.

Co-sign.

And I don't get why everyone was expecting him to play differently than he's been playing the last two-three years...

Nights like last night make me nervous though. There is a really good chance Rasheed could cost us a game, especially a playoff game, like he almost did last night. I couldn't believe they didn't give him a tech esp. after giving one to richardson.

Interesting game to make this post after. Sheed's 4th quarter, scoring, rebounding, and defending saved the game. He's not the same Sheed who was on the Blazers who dominated athletically, but I'm hoping he can give us a solid 20-30mpg in the playoffs. He's doing a nice job filling in for Garnett as a starter and I still think the team looks better with him in the game than Perkins because he plays smart and spreads the floor. His 3-point accuracy and reluctance to go in the post deserve criticism, but his D and rebounding? Come on. I'm frustrated as the next guy watching him clank threes but he's making smart plays out there. I think he's kind of at the Shaq stage of his career, he's playing his way into shape and will give us his best basketball later in the season. He's definitely emotionally invested in this team and isn't mailing in it in at all. He has been downright passionate since KG went down and he's had to assume a leadership role.

- Rasheed does not run the court: He is always the last one up court, barely walking up to the 3pt line, and pausing for a 3pt shot

This is BS.

That is certainly not BS sully.

EVERY possession, 4 players would run up, then 2 seconds later, you would see Sheed show up in left of the screen.

THIS HAPPENS every game..

Godmoney wrote:Interesting game to make this post after. Sheed's 4th quarter, scoring, rebounding, and defending saved the game. He's not the same Sheed who was on the Blazers who dominated athletically, but I'm hoping he can give us a solid 20-30mpg in the playoffs. He's doing a nice job filling in for Garnett as a starter and I still think the team looks better with him in the game than Perkins because he plays smart and spreads the floor. His 3-point accuracy and reluctance to go in the post deserve criticism, but his D and rebounding? Come on. I'm frustrated as the next guy watching him clank threes but he's making smart plays out there. I think he's kind of at the Shaq stage of his career, he's playing his way into shape and will give us his best basketball later in the season. He's definitely emotionally invested in this team and isn't mailing in it in at all. He has been downright passionate since KG went down and he's had to assume a leadership role.

Do you remember how Sheed tried to rebound with one hand, and tossed the ball out of bounds. Nobody was around him. There was no excuse.

OR

How he went up for rebound without jumping off the ground and tipped the ball back into the net. He scored for the other team...

How he tried to rebound with one hand, without

^^ the play where he one-handed it, it was well behind him and he was reaching. you can fault him for still being too fat to go and get it, but not for being too nonchalant.

the own-goal was unfortunate but it happens. we've been having problems keeping athletic teams off the glass all year. it's not all on sheed, the problem was the same when KG was there. frankly it's more to do with the smaller guys not boxing out, imo. it's not an issue with the bigs. when they send 3-4 guys to the offensive glass, 2 bigs will always have a hard time getting the board. the others need to come back and help.

RondoWallace wrote:That is certainly not BS sully.

EVERY possession, 4 players would run up, then 2 seconds later, you would see Sheed show up in left of the screen.

THIS HAPPENS every game..

I would love to find the stats on this but I bet you that Wallace has finished off more fast breaks than any other big on this team, maybe anyone on the team. Just because he is last the guy you see in the screen in an half court set after he inbounds the ball and sets a screen for the ball handler doesn't mean he doesn't run the floor on the break. It is his friggin job to be the last guy up.

Sully:: I respect you as a long time poster, but you are talking out of your ass...

Every game i watch specifically for 'Where Wallace Is On The Court'. 9/10 plays he is walking up slowly to the 3 pt line usually 1.5-2 seconds after the other 4 players, are in a set play.

After 4 players run the break, and then set up a play, then Wallace shows up, after all that. An stands on 3pt line, waiting for open 3.

^^ i think you're being way too hard on Sheed. not sure he leads the team in fast break finishes, kind of doubt that, but to say he's always draggin ass up the court is also completely untrue. usually we run that high post offense where the first pass comes from rondo to a big at the elbow. i've never once said "oh rondo's there ready to make the pass, but where is sheed?" if he's supposed to be there, he's there. remember he usually inbounds the ball, so he has to go a longer way.

sheed isn't the fastest or quickest guy but i haven't sensed any issue with motivation or laziness this year. he's not in the best shape and needs to get into better shape but it's not like he's doggin it. the only thing that's troublesome is the # of 3's he's taking, but lately he's going to the post more, so hopefully that will continue.

RondoWallace wrote:Sully:: I respect you as a long time poster, but you are talking out of your ass...

Every game i watch specifically for 'Where Wallace Is On The Court'. 9/10 plays he is walking up slowly to the 3 pt line usually 1.5-2 seconds after the other 4 players, are in a set play.

After 4 players run the break, and then set up a play, then Wallace shows up, after all that. An stands on 3pt line, waiting for open 3.

You have to differentiate what you are talking about or you are the one talking out of your ass.

Off of a made hoop Sheed traditionally inbounds the ball if he is on the court and then sets a screen for the ballhandler just before midcourt so he will obviously be the last man up. Perk does the same thing.

He also isn't going to be on the end of a break he throws the outlet pass on.

Now you can tell me he is never out on the break but I saw him at the end of three last night including one Rondo bounced off of his shins off a steal he made.

Did you see that game? What plays were you counting?

Sully, you are boring me.. I have watched every game this season, including last night's game. I'm telling you Wallace doesn't run up the court, he walks.

You can make all the lame excuses you want, but next few games trace where he is at all times, and 80% of time while play is set up, he will be off camera.

Don't let a one or two fast breaks fool you either!

He definitely does not run the court as he should right now. No question whatsoever. Compared to KG and Perk? You'd have to be blind not to notice the difference. Still, I don't mind it as much right now. I think he plays great in small spurts. Let's see how he does as we get closer to the playoffs, as KG gets his minutes; as Baby gets his legs under him and more minutes. We're still work i progress. The number one priority for him, undoubtedly, is get his ass in the post more often. Looking a bit better now than in the first 20 games of the season for sure. I realize I'm never going to be satisfied with his game... Lower the expectation and take the good with the bad - I think he's well, well worth it.

People who think Rasheed Wallace is not playing good and productive basketball would not be good basketball scouts.