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The premise I submit is that despite the lofty record, and injuries to Garnett, Daniels, Davis and more recently House's illness and Pierce's absence due to arthroscopic surgery, the Celtics could use another shooteroff the bench. In these proposals, it is assumed that the remaining core is the starting lineup, plus Wallace, Davis, House and one of Tony Allen or Marquis Daniels, plus whoever comes back in the trade. More importantly, by bringing in Nitro Nate (if possible), the Celtics allow Rajon to not have to play 50 minutes like he did tonight.

In the Mike Miller trade I had Sheldon Williams going to injury ravaged Portland for a second round pick. One of the choices in none of the above, meaning no trade at all.

All of these trades have previously been explained as justified FROM THE OTHER TEAMS point of view due to the expiring nature of the players contract, with Mike Miller not expected to re-sign, Gomes expected to be waived for cap space (3 years remain on contract that become guaranteed if he is not waived by June 30), and Nitro Nate is expected to be renounced by the Knicks so they have cap space. If they were going to sign and trade Nate, it would have happened LAST summer.

Scal + 1st for Ryan Gomes...

Just realized that I left one more Celtic off the Mike Miller trade. Walker or Hudson would have to be included as well. Naturally all 5 Celtics would not go to Washington, some would go to other teams with cap room, like Sheldon to Portland or Hudson to Oklahoma City.

i'd do the 1st or 3rd. i'd rather not give up TA at this point. Gomes is really a 3/4, and Tony is a 1/2, so we need Tony still especially with Quis's uncertain injury situation.

i might do the miller trade too, though miller is a horrid defender so i doubt ainge would.

ParticleMan wrote:i'd do the 1st or 3rd. i'd rather not give up TA at this point. Gomes is really a 3/4, and Tony is a 1/2, so we need Tony still especially with Quis's uncertain injury situation.

i might do the miller trade too, though miller is a horrid defender so i doubt ainge would.

I think I'm leaning to number 1. Gomes has enough Muscle to be of use against Artest or Lamar Odom. Miller is not quick enough for Kobe, and I don't think that he wants to bang with Artest or Odom, despite Miller's 6' 8" height. I thought that Mike was the best fit, but it's the 5 for 1 that scares me. At least the first trade brings in a ball handler and a guy who can back up Pierce (leaving Ray at SG) and also play mobile PF (Gomes).

Just realized that Hudson has been waived, so I doubt that the Celtics would give up
Scal + Daniels + Giddens +Walker + Williams for Mike Miller. Well, there is always free agency this summer, or maybe a buyout (maybe not with Arenas suspended, the Wiz need someone to put points on the board).

#1 is clearly the best deal for us but i'm not sure the knicks and wolves do it.

why would the wolves give up gomes? he's paid like a backup and produces.

any trade giving up our backup sf or trading for the player i hate more then any player in the nba (yes, even more then lbj), ug, if u picked those kill yourself.

ParticleMan wrote:#1 is clearly the best deal for us but i'm not sure the knicks and wolves do it.

why would the wolves give up gomes? he's paid like a backup and produces.

That WAS my view. I blew off all the Gomes trades, assuming that he was keeper, since they only have 7 players under contract for next season, 8 if they don't waive Gomes and the remaining 3 years on his contract (which becomes fully guaranteed if not waived by June 30).

A Wolves fan, shrink, explained that the Wolves would like the cap space. Whether they up their offer to Rudy Gay from the previously reported 5 years $55 million to $60 or $65 million is possible. The Wolves like Wayne Ellington as a backup SF. Apparently Gomes is not in the Wolves long term plans, because Kevin Love and Al Jefferson really are more PF's than C's. The Wolves gain a First Round Pick + save $400,000 in current year salary by trading for Scal; versus simply waiving Gomes.

The Knicks will want the cap room for two max free agents next summer. Nate is apparently going to have his rights renounced. Since the Knicks will not be over the cap this summer, they will not have an MLE or LLE, and once Nate's rights are renounced, they can't resign him based on this years salary. If Nate was going to be Signed & Traded it would have been LAST Summer. But Nate gets to approve any trades, since he took a one year deal, and would lose his Bird Rights. Apparently Boston will make Nate Rondo's permanent backup, since House is likely going to lose a step. The Celtics could still keep House around as a shooter, but the Knicks would save, by trading Nate to the Celtics for Daniels, $2.01 Million in luxury tax and about $1 million in salary for a total savings of $3 MILLION. Nate would never give the Knicks back $2 million of his $4 million salary in a buyout, so the Celtic trade is probably the best deal that the Celtics can get for Nate (remember, Nate did not approve trades to the Grizzlies or Nets, and the Grizzlies First Round pick offered was the 2010 Laker pick)

Darth Celtic wrote:any trade giving up our backup sf or trading for the player i hate more then any player in the nba (yes, even more then lbj), ug, if u picked those kill yourself.

What's your mailing address Darth? I'm going to the drug store to pick you up some midol, I'll send it right along.

I'd do the gomes for scal and a first in a heartbeat, but I doubt Min would.

basically gomes for a 1st is a no-brainer for us. i still can't believe minny is willing to do that but if so, hell ya.

look who we've gotten with our picks around #30 recently. we got BBD which was great, but we also got giddens and pruitt. so it's a crapshoot, and almost the best we can hope for is someone who is as good as gomes. meanwhile gomes is a vet who produces, and can play the 3 and 4.

i guess in the end i'd do any of those trades. i like Nate, i don't give a rats ass that he's a punk, so is sheed and so was marbs and cassell. they were all punks. i hated marbs's game but he didnt cause any problems when he was here, and sheed has fit in too. so would nate, and unlike marbs nate can actually play some hellacious ball from time to time. that's a real advantage of having a locker room as strong and leader-filled as ours.

#1 please!

Seriously though, I don't know why Minny would do it. Maybe they do it for a vet in the locker room (Scal) and to get a look at some prospects. Maybe they do it because they don't need Gomes when they have Big Al, Love and Brewer. Maybe they do it for the pick? What would our #1 look like, #30? Who the heck knows, but I hope they do.

Our picks are weird. We can't trade this year b/c we didn't have one last year. and I am sure danny wants insurance for next year and after since our guys are getting up there.

To me our first round pick situation is pretty weird and will be a major problem in any trade.

aboubata wrote:Our picks are weird. We can't trade this year b/c we didn't have one last year. and I am sure danny wants insurance for next year and after since our guys are getting up there.

To me our first round pick situation is pretty weird and will be a major problem in any trade.

Celtics CAN trade 2010 First Round Pick.
What teams are not allowed to do is trade
consecutive FUTURE First Round picks.

Since last year's pick has already been given away,
the Celtics are free to trade this year's pick in advance.

Jammer wrote:Celtics CAN trade 2010 First Round Pick.
What teams are not allowed to do is trade
consecutive FUTURE First Round picks.

Yeah, you're just not allowed to have 2 future picks traded away at the same time, to protect teams from digging themselves into a hole like Ted Stepien.

I wouldn't do any of those trades. We've basically been without a #1 pick for 3 years since we wasted one on Giddens. None of those guys are good enough on defense to be that worthwhile. They're all good enough to take as straight salary dumps for Scal/TA. None is good enough to warrant including a #1 or Marquis.

I wouldn't trade Daniels, I don't want Nate, so third option. I'd like to use Scal's expiring on someone like Hinrich instead for his defense, but having Gomes would definitely help right now and if we can get him for just Scal and a first, we definitely do that. Can't see Minnesota doing it though.

I can't believe Hinrich is making 9.5 mil a year...he'd be a PERFECT fit, but we'd have to give up House + the TA/Scal combo. Talent wise that would be worth it, but Hinrich's salary is so unpalatable that taking it on AND losing Eddie would be too much.

Geez Tyrus Thomas makes too much to throw in and even it out also. I wonder if they would dump him, since I don't see them re-signing him.

I think Chicago remains the most dangerous threat to Cleveland for stealing LeBron, and I think Chicago would be happy to dump Hinrich's salary despite how useful he is.

Deng/Hinrich for Ray would make sense for Chicago...but not really for us, when you consider how overrated those guys are. Just think, that's basically the combo that Chicago thought was TOO MUCH to give up for KG or Gasol. I still think Paxson's pathetic lowball antics (egged on by a lot of Stan Smith articles) frustrated Chris Wallace into giving just Gasol away to someone other than Chicago.