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Celtic Points Per Shot (factors in 3's and Free Throws)

1.67 Sheldon Williams
1.62 Kendrick Perkins
1.50 Paul Pierce
1.34 Tony Allen
1.32 Kevin Garnett
1.30 Ray Allen
1.23 Rajon Rondo
1.20 Justin Giddens
1.19 Fatty Davis
1.14 Eddie House
1.13 Marquis Daniels
1.06 "Chucker" Wallace
0.83 Brian Scalabrine

Now, Chucker Wallace is actually an excellent shooter from the free throw line,
and 2 point land. Chucker is just abysmal from 3 point land. Note the differences.

Three Point Percentages
0.466 Paul Pierce
0.381 Eddie House
0.360 Ray Allen
0.287 Chucker Wallace
0.238 Brian Scalabrine
0.172 Rajon Rondo


Two Point Percentages
0.646 Kendrick Perkins
0.559 Rajon Rondo
0.549 Kevin Garnett
0.521 Rasheed Wallace (he's good from 2 point land)
0.519 Ray Allen
0.518 Tony Allen
0.489 Marquis Daniels
0.487 Sheldon Williams
0.466 Paul Pierce
0.462 Justin Giddens
0.416 Eddie House
0.400 Brian Scalabrine
0.385 Fatty Davis

Free Throws
0.914 Ray Allen
0.909 Eddie House
0.843 Kevin Garnett
0.839 Paul Pierce
0.832 Rasheed Wallace
0.786 Glen Davis
0.750 Brian Scalabrine
0.746 Sheldon Williams
0.667 Tony Allen
0.619 Kendrick Perkins
0.600 Justin Giddens
0.594 Rajon Rondo
0.571 Marquis Daniels

What's clear is that Rasheed is excellent from the free throw line,
and pretty good from 2 point land.

So, why not just forget about shooting 3's?

Rasheed takes 9.1 shots per game, and makes 4.8 of them 3's, That's f*cking ridiculous.
Rasheed, uh, I mean Chucker Wallace, should be forbidden from shooting 3's.

Maybe 1 per game. If he misses, that's it.

Right now, Rasheed is wasting 4.8 shots per game that Paul, Ray or Eddie would be
much better off shooting from 3, or Rasheed from the block.

Do you agree?

Hey Jam

I slightly disagree. The guy is a streak shooter from 3, and some games can really light it up. Why not a mix of 2s (post-ups) >>> 3s, except on nights when he has a "hot hand" from 3 when maybe 2s should equal 3s. However, in general, he DEFINITELY should mix it up with more post-ups than 3s, and when he is off from 3, he needs to STOP shooting them.

That's a big part of Sheed's role and why we got him. If you just look at the Miami game a few days ago, Sheed made 2 big 3s at the end of the game that allowed us to close the gap, take it to overtime and get the win. Yea Sheed probably needs to be a little more selective from the 3-point land - 4.8 attempts in 23 minutes is a lot of 3s to take. But he shouldn't shut them down. His role is similar to KG's, he spaces the floor and instead of shooting long jumpers like KG does, he shoots 3s. Now if he gets to his career 3 point average of 34% then he'll be fine.

he definitely needs to cut down. i don't mind him taking open rhythm 3's but he tends to force them a lot. there's no need for that.

i like that he spaces the floor but he can be a threat out there without actually having to shoot 5 a game.

to his credit i think he's been going to the post a lot more lately. but he still wanders out in critical situations.

MVP16 wrote:That's a big part of Sheed's role and why we got him. If you just look at the Miami game a few days ago, Sheed made 2 big 3s at the end of the game that allowed us to close the gap, take it to overtime and get the win. Yea Sheed probably needs to be a little more selective from the 3-point land - 4.8 attempts in 23 minutes is a lot of 3s to take. But he shouldn't shut them down. His role is similar to KG's, he spaces the floor and instead of shooting long jumpers like KG does, he shoots 3s. Now if he gets to his career 3 point average of 34% then he'll be fine.

We'll be really good if Sheed gets to his career 3pt average at the end of the year while maintaining a similar shot rate. That would mean he'd be shooting 38% for the rest of the year, which would be good for an extra 1.25 points per game (enough to put us ahead of Cleveland and Orlando in offensive rating).

As is, his 28.7% 3pt shooting is hurting more often than helping. Sheed 3s are some of the only shots the C's 2nd unit is capable of producing on a consistent basis. House and TA can only generate so many looks for themselves and athletic teams can really make entry passes into the post very difficult. Throw in Shelden's offensive ineptitude, Baby's extreme inaccuracy and Marquis Daniels' gunshyness (averaging ridiculously few shots per minute before his injury) and the importance of Sheed's 3-balls becomes even more apparent. Until those shots start to go down at acceptable rates (above 33%), the C's will continue to be slightly above average offensively, with frequent dips into mediocrity (last night for example).

Sheed is averaging the same amount of 3PT Attempts as RAY ALLEN. It's nice he spaces the floor and all, but that is flat out ridiculous. He's averaging close to 5 3pt attempts a game and it personally drives me nuts.

We don't want him playing in the post til the second half of the season.

I'm not a fan of him shooting 3's, but I am a fan of him not taking a heavy beating in the regular season so he's healthy when it matters. It was no mystery coming in.

Here's his Pistons 3-pt attempts history, in case you're wondering.

08-09 Regular Season / Playoffs: 4.8 / 2.0 per game (4 games; not much of a sampling)
07-08 Regular Season / Playoffs: 4.1 / 4.4 per game
06-07 Regular Season / Playoffs: 3.9 / 4.5 per game
05-06 Regular Season / Playoffs: 5.4 / 4.4 per game
04-05 Regular Season / Playoffs: 3.0 / 3.4 per game
03-04 Regular Season / Playoffs: 3.6 / 3.0 per game


Gone are the days of him taking 2 3-pointers a game for a stretch. It ain't happening.

Cyclical wrote:Here's his Pistons 3-pt attempts history, in case you're wondering.

08-09 Regular Season / Playoffs: 4.8 / 2.0 per game (4 games; not much of a sampling)
07-08 Regular Season / Playoffs: 4.1 / 4.4 per game
06-07 Regular Season / Playoffs: 3.9 / 4.5 per game
05-06 Regular Season / Playoffs: 5.4 / 4.4 per game
04-05 Regular Season / Playoffs: 3.0 / 3.4 per game
03-04 Regular Season / Playoffs: 3.6 / 3.0 per game


Gone are the days of him taking 2 3-pointers a game for a stretch. It ain't happening.

Thanks, cyclical.

Actually, when Rasheed was with the Pistons, I actually felt that any time
Sheed was shooting the 3 ball, he was helping the other team win.

Whenever the Pistons played the Celtics, since I was rooting for the Celtics,
at the time I wanted Sheed to shoot 3's. But now that he's shooting 28%,
which is effectively the equivalent of 42% from 2 point range,
I realize how much he's hurting the team.

The surprising thing is how good a shooter Sheed is from two point range this season.

When Sheed was with Portland, I felt that he was the best player on that team,
and didn't have the help he needed to win.

Now that there are some other guys that can shoot, I wish he woud take only the high
percentage shots and forget about 3's until he is making 35% OR MORE.

cyclical, great post.

I just realized, based on your post, that
Rasheed shot 35% from 3 each of his last 4 seasons in Detroit.

As encouraging as that is,
since he is only shooting 28 % with his current team,
I think that Rasheed should tone it down until the shots start dropping.

And I don't buy that he just has to keep shooting.

A player knows if he is on or not.

Rasheed seems to be like "let me just hoist it up and hope to be the hero.
Tough noogies if it doesn't go in."

Whether he's making them or not, he's still stretching the defense and allowing Rondo to penetrate and Pierce get to his spots (elbows). Two guys both trying to post up (Perk + Sheed for example) would mean a lot of clogged lanes which means Rondo becomes relatively useless except on fast breaks and Pierce will face constant double teams that can recover back to their man in the post.

Your timing couldnt have been worse.

LanFill wrote:Two guys both trying to post up (Perk + Sheed for example) would mean a lot of clogged lanes which means Rondo becomes relatively useless except on fast breaks and Pierce will face constant double teams that can recover back to their man in the post.

Not true in this case. Rasheed doesn't play inside the paint that often. His positioning is actually closer to that of KG's which works perfectly for our guards. KG+Perk is a perfect combo and so can Sheed+Perk be. If you were talking about a guy like Al Jefferson it would be another story altogether.

DumbyTheWizard wrote:Your timing couldnt have been worse.

He's shot lights out a few times this season from behind the arc, but on the season as a whole, he's shot them at a bad percentage, which wouldn't be that bad, of course, if he didn't attempt so many per game. He shot a lot of threes today not because he was making most of them, but because it's his game - he'll shoot that many threes even if he's airballing each one. Sheed's terribleness in this area is well-documented by Jammer, and one game doesn't change it.

LanFill wrote:Whether he's making them or not, he's still stretching the defense and allowing Rondo to penetrate and Pierce get to his spots (elbows). Two guys both trying to post up (Perk + Sheed for example) would mean a lot of clogged lanes which means Rondo becomes relatively useless except on fast breaks and Pierce will face constant double teams that can recover back to their man in the post.

Yeah, it's nice that he stretches out the floor. He can stretch out the floor without having a terrible shot selection, though. Many of his threes are quick shots without his feet set with a defender right on him. I'm not opposed to him taking wide open shots, but I'm opposed to him throwing up a three the majority of the time he handles the ball outside the arc.

It is true that Rondo benefits from a big that can stretch the floor, but the Celtics as a team are better with Garnett in the line-up, so the point is moot.

DumbyTheWizard wrote:Your timing couldnt have been worse.

Then again, maybe it was a motivator.

This was actually the first game that I thought that Rasheed played like his prime Portland days.
When he was the best player on that great Portland team.

Today he set his feet, and did not seem to rush, or simply hoist up 3's,
but GET HIS BALANCE and shoot with a smooth motion, rather than what
I previously thought was a rather lame looking 3.

There are reasons his percentage dropped from better than 35% four years running
to 28% this year. It had to do with balance, and mechanics, and concentration.

Today Sheed had good balance, good mechanics, and he concentrated on what he was doing,
and actually acted a lot more mature than I feel he has in his earlier games
where he did not seem to be "focused" on winning.

Today Sheed played like someone who wants to win.
Hopefully he'll make the effort to be in balance, with good form, and good concentration,
all the time.

One of the criticisms of Rasheed over the years has been that the talent was always there,
but the willingness to focus every game, and then every play within a game, was not there.

There are some days where Sheed seems to shoot without getting his feet set, or in proper balance,
and not with good form. The difference is when he really applies himself, he's quite a player.

Here's to Mr. Rasheed Wallace.

So stop with the bi-polar posts j/k

After yesterday's game prepare for more chucking.

He looked good yesterday.

Jammer wrote:

DumbyTheWizard wrote:Your timing couldnt have been worse.

Then again, maybe it was a motivator.

This was actually the first game that I thought that Rasheed played like his prime Portland days.
When he was the best player on that great Portland team.

Today he set his feet, and did not seem to rush, or simply hoist up 3's,
but GET HIS BALANCE and shoot with a smooth motion, rather than what
I previously thought was a rather lame looking 3.

There are reasons his percentage dropped from better than 35% four years running
to 28% this year. It had to do with balance, and mechanics, and concentration.

Today Sheed had good balance, good mechanics, and he concentrated on what he was doing,
and actually acted a lot more mature than I feel he has in his earlier games
where he did not seem to be "focused" on winning.

Today Sheed played like someone who wants to win.
Hopefully he'll make the effort to be in balance, with good form, and good concentration,
all the time.

One of the criticisms of Rasheed over the years has been that the talent was always there,
but the willingness to focus every game, and then every play within a game, was not there.

There are some days where Sheed seems to shoot without getting his feet set, or in proper balance,
and not with good form. The difference is when he really applies himself, he's quite a player.

Here's to Mr. Rasheed Wallace.

today, Rasheed was defended by Bargnani