Kevin Martin's available

cfan79 · Post #1 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:43 pm

The Kings look like they are not going anywhere, so I don't see Kevin Martin staying happy. Especially with all the attention Tyreke Evans is getting.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #2 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:40 pm

So?

irie · Post #3 » by **irie** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:55 pm

He won't be coming here, that's for sure. We don't have any young players that they would actually be interested in or decent draft picks to offer. Any combination of young guys that we have won't get it done. They would want another wing player, not a big, so Davis is out of the equation.

Lewis35 · Post #4 » by **Lewis35** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:36 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:So?

This is very serious. Who cares how much they make or who cares the other team will not take Giddons and Scal in a million years in a trade. Anytime a player is available these posts must be made!

nasbahceltic · Post #5 » by **nasbahceltic** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:42 pm

I would agree that we don't have any attractive young pieces, but we could basically bail the Kings out of their bad contracts, which is probably what their more interested in with an eye towards the FA class this summer. Also, you would have to assume that the Kings have either had enough of Martin's injuries or consider him redundant with Tyreke Evans ideally suited to play the 2.

As it currently stands the Kings are right up against the Cap threshold with Kenny Thomas' deal (almost 9 Mill) as the only expiring deal of any significance. They won't be able to make a a run at max contract unless they trade another big deal before this summer.

Now, I think its highly unlikely because Danny probably doesn't want to break up the big 3 despite his proclamations about breaking up the original big 3 back in the day, but a deal like this would be great in my my opinion:

Ray for Martin and Nociono.

Keep in mind that if it is their intention to deal Martin for cap relief that we have made deals with them in the past and Ainge clearly has a good rapport with their GM (is it still Petrie?)

Banks2Pierce · Post #6 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:46 pm

I agree with LanFill. Martin is pretty legit, but we have nothing to offer up for him. Another concern is that his games played is really starting to look Marquis Danielsesque. He's been missing 30 games or so for the past few years. Durability is his issue.

rpa · Post #7 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:58 pm

nasbahceltic wrote:As it currently stands the Kings are right up against the Cap threshold with Kenny Thomas' deal (almost 9 Mill) as the only expiring deal of any significance. They won't be able to make a a run at max contract unless they trade another big deal before this summer.

I'm sure every big name free agent from Lebron to Bosh is salivating at the mere thought of going to the Kings this offseason.

BTW, I love how people see the headline "teams interested in Martin" and automatically go make a post saying "Kings looking to trade Martin". Try reading the article; it clearly states a number of times that the Kings currently have no intention of trading him.

cfan79 · Post #8 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:23 pm

rpa wrote:

BTW, I love how people see the headline "teams interested in Martin" and automatically go make a post saying "Kings looking to trade Martin". Try reading the article; it clearly states a number of times that the Kings currently have no intention of trading him.

Clearly the Kings have been floating around the idea of trading Martin. They just don't want to trade him for a low ball offer.

rpa · Post #9 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:59 pm

cfan79 wrote:
rpa wrote:

BTW, I love how people see the headline "teams interested in Martin" and automatically go make a post saying "Kings looking to trade Martin". Try reading the article; it clearly states a number of times that the Kings currently have no intention of trading him.

Clearly the Kings have been floating around the idea of trading Martin. They just don't want to trade him for a low ball offer.

What makes you think it's "clearly"? Every indication is that they DON'T want to trade him. Every article written on this subject from a credible source has stated clearly, every time, that teams X, Y, & Z are interested in Martin but the Kings have no interest in trading him. Do you somehow think that "no" actually means "yes"?

cfan79 · Post #10 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:37 pm

rpa wrote:
What makes you think it's "clearly"? Every indication is that they DON'T want to trade him. Every article written on this subject from a credible source has stated clearly, every time, that teams X, Y, & Z are interested in Martin but the Kings have no interest in trading him. Do you somehow think that "no" actually means "yes"?

If you believe everything you read then I have a bridge I want to sell you. GM's have to lie, its a part of their job description. If they came out and said the truth they wouldn't get any good offers. Bottomline is Martin is making too much money for a rebuilding team to keep.

rpa · Post #11 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:00 pm

cfan79 wrote:If you believe everything you read then I have a bridge I want to sell you. GM's have to lie, its a part of their job description. If they came out and said the truth they wouldn't get any good offers.

First off, this likely isn't coming from the GM. Second, there has to be an upside to lying. What exactly is the upside here? We aren't privy to the private conversations that GMs have so someone coming out and PUBLICLY saying "we don't want to trade player X" really doesn't mean anything because the only people it would persuade (one way or the other) is the public--who, for all intents and purposes, don't matter one iota in trade negotiations. Third, as I said already, does "no" mean "yes"? You can't automatically assume that anything coming out of a GMs mouth, publicly, is the exact opposite of what he thinks.

cfan79 wrote:Bottomline is Martin is making too much money for a rebuilding team to keep.

$11m a year for a player his caliber is not "too much money". Further, we aren't talking about a capped out team here like the Wizards or Hornets. The Kings are slated to be anywhere from $10-15m under the cap next year (pending what the cap is and what draft pick holds they have of course). Dumping Martin would actually put them perilously close to the minimum salary cap. Meaning they'd have to spend that money regardless (or be taxed up to the difference) and most likely it would be on a far inferior player to Martin--because, let's be honest, big name free agents aren't even going to consider the Kings.

cfan79 · Post #12 » by **cfan79** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:09 pm

rpa wrote:
$11m a year for a player his caliber is not "too much money". Further, we aren't talking about a capped out team here like the Wizards or Hornets. The Kings are slated to be anywhere from $10-15m under the cap next year (pending what the cap is and what draft pick holds they have of course).

I get what you're saying, he is worth what he's getting paid. A successful team though can't have their best 2 players playing the same position.

rpa · Post #13 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:20 pm

cfan79 wrote:I get what you're saying, he is worth what he's getting paid. A successful team though can't have their best 2 players playing the same position.

The Kings still view Evans as a PG, not a SG. For a young player (only 20) he's played the position very well so far. Is he distributing like CP3? Of course not--but CP3 wasn't CP3 as a rookie.

Ed Pinkney · Post #14 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:25 pm

How can you say they are not going anywhere? They have been playing some great basketball and have great young players in Evans, Caspi, Thompson and Hawes. They are winning games when people thought they would probably have a record like the Nets at this stage.

How well Evans has played has meant that there has been stuff written about whether it makes Martin expendable as in order to play them together you probably need to play Evans at the three and unless your point guard is 6'6" and a lock down defender you are in trouble defensively as Martin is a pretty ordinary defender. I have also read that Martin might struggle coming back to a team that is playing well together and when he is no longer their best player.

BakersDozen · Post #15 » by **BakersDozen** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:44 pm

rpa wrote:
cfan79 wrote:I get what you're saying, he is worth what he's getting paid. A successful team though can't have their best 2 players playing the same position.

The Kings still view Evans as a PG, not a SG. For a young player (only 20) he's played the position very well so far. Is he distributing like CP3? Of course not--but CP3 wasn't CP3 as a rookie.

Chris Paul was still pretty damn good as a rookie.

rpa · Post #16 » by **rpa** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:03 pm

BakersDozen wrote:Chris Paul was still pretty damn good as a rookie.

Yeah, I remember drafting him as a "oh what the hell" pick in fantasy that year. He was damn good but he wasn't the best distributing PG in the NBA like he is today.

Post #17 » by **sully00** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:53 pm

Kevin Martin plays 2 and the 3 and shoots 3's, Tyreke Evans can play the 1 or the 2 and is primarily a slasher and playermaker. Saying these two can't play together is like saying Paul Pierce and Ray Allen can't play together.

Every team in the NBA is limed up to take a shot at Kevin Martin, he makes 10 mil a year and scores 25ppg and is tremendous shooter.

The Kings have shown no interest in moving him but at least understand there is a lot of interest around the league.