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Ray Allen to New Jersey

Devin Harris, Tony Battie to Sacramento
Keyon Dooling to Boston

Kevin Martin, Andres Nocioni to Boston

New Jersey unloads two point guards and enters into the 'Biggest Loser' John Wall lottery competition-
Sacramento gets rid of Nocioni's contract and gets a cheap point guard more compatible with Evans than Martin would be

We get a young, cheap replacement for Ray Allen and more bench depth.

New Jersey says hell no. They aren't already in the biggest loser John Wall lottery competition, they're already the frontrunner. No way do they give up Harris just for an expiring contract. Ray has no value to them otherwise. If anything, he'd take them out of the Wall sweepstakes.

New Jersey does the deal straight up just with Sacramento if they manage to get Wall though. Maybe just a Martin for Harris swap though.

That seems like it would be enticing for NJ. They would only have $15mil on the books going into next season. They could draft JW to pair up with a the few other nice young players they have. Then they could potentially sign two big free agents. If they landed two big names, Ray might be willing to come back at a discount. They could become relevant pretty quickly.

They could have a lineup that looks like this next season:

Starters:

John Wall
Ray Allen
Joe Johnson
Carlos Boozer
Brook Lopez

Bench:

Courtney Lee
Yi Jianlian
Josh Boone
Kris Humpries
Chris Douglas Roberts

vct33 wrote:That seems like it would be enticing for NJ. They would only have $15mil on the books going into next season. They could draft JW to pair up with a the few other nice young players they have. Then they could potentially sign two big free agents. If they landed two big names, Ray might be willing to come back at a discount. They could become relevant pretty quickly.

They could have a lineup that looks like this next season:

Starters:

John Wall
Ray Allen
Joe Johnson
Carlos Boozer
Brook Lopez

Bench:

Courtney Lee
Yi Jianlian
Josh Boone
Kris Humpries
Chris Douglas Roberts

I bolded the words that I find to be the biggest problem with this argument.

New Jersey would never do it. They could just as easily end up with only Evan Turner or Cole Aldrich out of the draft and have only him and Lopez to try to entice free agents. As it stands. They'll have Harris (on a great deal that doesn't interfere with their 2010 plans at all) or whatever they get for him in a trade, whoever they get in the draft, and Lopez to entice one max free agent and then another free agent around the $10M range.

Another problem: They would have to renounce their rights to Ray and the MLE to sign both Boozer and Johnson, meaning all they would have to re-sign him with is whatever they have left under the cap or the veteran's minimum (I'm not sure if they'd have to renounce the LLE or if they even have it next offseason, but he still wouldn't take that).

NJ gets robbed in that deal. They would never do it.

A seperate thought about trading Ray Allen: What about a sign-and-trade in the off-season. Ray (on a reasonable contract) and Baby might fetch back something nice. If we make a trade of the smaller expirings for a bad contract and pick we could add that into the deal as well.

jmr07019 wrote:NJ gets robbed in that deal. They would never do it.

A seperate thought about trading Ray Allen: What about a sign-and-trade in the off-season. Ray (on a reasonable contract) and Baby might fetch back something nice. If we make a trade of the smaller expirings for a bad contract and pick we could add that into the deal as well.

That's an option, but it depends on Ray wanting to go to the team we'd want to conduct the sign and trade with, then that team would have to not have capspace to just sign Ray outright without helping us.

Most likely scenario is that we just re-sign Ray on the cheap.

Sacramento has made it pretty clear they don't want to trade Kevin Martin. Also, New Jersey is not going to get rid of Devin Harris.

And if we trade Ray Allen, another team won't do us the favor of buying him out so we can re-sign him.

ray allen isnt getting traded, id like to start a petition to immediately lock any thread that has him being traded in it, unless it has the header of fantasy on it

i think these forums have exhausted every ray trade idea, and the fact stands that danny isnt even going to entertain the idea of trading ray unless we get a top 20 player back, which, wont happen so please, stop it, just stop it

btw, why would the celtics want to take on nocioni's terrible contract, that would be a terrible move