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In another post it was mentioned the Celtics tried to acquire Kirk Hinrich from the Bulls for spare parts (I'll assume, T Allen, House and Scal). Most people here (and the Bulls board) seem to be on board with that deal. But it was reported Chicago wants a pick (I doubt a very late second would be a deal breaker) or something of value. So if it could get the deal done, would you trade the Celtics 2011 first round pick with Allen, House and Scal for Kirk Hinrich?

I would except I would trade House, Scalabrine, Giddens, Walker and a 1st for Hinrich. It may have to invlove a third team but keep Tony Allen.

for Tony's sake i hope he doesnt get traded to Chicago... he needs to stay away from there.

I would say sure because with Hinrich we probably have one of the last 6-8 picks in the draft. You have to give the Bulls something besides expiring salary for the guy he doesn't suck that is why you want him even if he is pricey.

BakersDozen wrote:for Tony's sake i hope he doesnt get traded to Chicago... he needs to stay away from there.

lol...hadnt thought of that......he would request a buy out in a flash!

I don't even care about the pick, but I would not trade for Hinrich at this point, period.

He's not the answer to the riddle, and he'll just clog up the cap moving forward, which takes many other options off of the table.

Our greatest strength right now is our financial flexibility. We have, and will continue to have for both of the next two seasons, the ability to provide massive cap savings to another team. There's a lot of teams losing a lot of money right now, and we simply have no idea who will be made available in the next year or so.

This financial flexibility is the exact same thing that helped get us Ray and KG in the first place, mind you.

Celts17Pride wrote:I would except I would trade House, Scalabrine, Giddens, Walker and a 1st for Hinrich. It may have to invlove a third team but keep Tony Allen.

On board with this. House becomes completely useless to us if we get Hinrich, so I'd rather move him.

Cant bring T Allen here to Chi...................The bangers gotta hit out on him

Captain_Caveman wrote:I don't even care about the pick, but I would not trade for Hinrich at this point, period.

He's not the answer to the riddle, and he'll just clog up the cap moving forward, which takes many other options off of the table.

Our greatest strength right now is our financial flexibility. We have, and will continue to have for both of the next two seasons, the ability to provide massive cap savings to another team. There's a lot of teams losing a lot of money right now, and we simply have no idea who will be made available in the next year or so.

This financial flexibility is the exact same thing that helped get us Ray and KG in the first place, mind you.

Hinrich is actually a player that can be very valuable to the C's. A Defensive minded PG who can guard twos and 1s (better at 2s) who can shoot the three and handle the ball when Rondo isnt in. If you can get him without touching the starting 5 then you do it (although I like Ray Allen for that big expiring and can help us right away)

Look at the damn committed salary and what kirk is going to make before you make it your life's goal to get him. We'd have to fill out our roster with 6 minimum contracts for the next 2 season if we got Hinrich. And that's not even including re-signing Ray, which we could not do. Stop it with the Hinrich BS.

HitMan52 wrote:Hinrich is actually a player that can be very valuable to the C's. A Defensive minded PG who can guard twos and 1s (better at 2s) who can shoot the three and handle the ball when Rondo isnt in. If you can get him without touching the starting 5 then you do it (although I like Ray Allen for that big expiring and can help us right away)

I don't think he is a difference-maker in terms of us winning a title this season. Like... at all.

We have way bigger problems right now, such as KG's knee. If I thought he would put us over the top, I'd be in favor of eating that contract and giving expirings and even our pick for him.

But since it won't put us over the top, all we'd be doing is taking on a bad contract for a bench combo guard. There is never, ever, ever a reason to do that. Shoot, if Marquis Daniels were healthy, we could have an even better version of Hinrich for only $1m this season.

We certainly aren`t paying 18 million with luxury tax for Heinrich next season. He has a ridiculous contract...

thebirdman wrote:We certainly aren`t paying 18 million with luxury tax for Heinrich next season. He has a ridiculous contract...

I wouldnt call it ridiculous (after this year 2 years 18.5) but I see what you mean. I also forgot about Marquis but I wouldnt say he is Hinrichs better version or equal either .

Also just throwing this out since some people on the Bulls board would do it but what do you think of a combination of Hinrich and Salmons for Ray Allen. And the only reason Bulls fans are willing to do this is because of Cap Space and not because they are bad players. Also they are both good defensively and three point shooter but not quite as clutch as Ray Allen.

Captain_Caveman wrote:

HitMan52 wrote:Hinrich is actually a player that can be very valuable to the C's. A Defensive minded PG who can guard twos and 1s (better at 2s) who can shoot the three and handle the ball when Rondo isnt in. If you can get him without touching the starting 5 then you do it (although I like Ray Allen for that big expiring and can help us right away)

I don't think he is a difference-maker in terms of us winning a title this season. Like... at all.

We have way bigger problems right now, such as KG's knee. If I thought he would put us over the top, I'd be in favor of eating that contract and giving expirings and even our pick for him.

But since it won't put us over the top, all we'd be doing is taking on a bad contract for a bench combo guard. There is never, ever, ever a reason to do that. Shoot, if Marquis Daniels were healthy, we could have an even better version of Hinrich for only $1m this season.

Isn't a huge problem of ours this year our bench? Getting Hinrich would definitely strongly improve that and that would be a huge difference, as we wouldn't be giving up such huge leads when the bench is out and could give Ray/Pierce/Rondo more rest. We could also bring both Hinrich and Daniels back (they are far from redundant with each other) next year for Hinrich + $1M.

thebirdman wrote:We certainly aren`t paying 18 million with luxury tax for Heinrich next season. He has a ridiculous contract...

Yeah, I don't get why this is so hard to process.

If it meant winning a title vs not winning a title this year, right on.

But it doesn't, and would just be suicide in terms of money and future trade flexibility.

And Hinrich AND Salmons? No... that would be like a $25m lux tax hit vs a $10m lux tax hit (or, $30m more expensive than not doing that trade). Again, for a couple of guys who won't win you a title.

Can't happen. Won't happen.

HitMan52 wrote:Also just throwing this out since some people on the Bulls board would do it but what do you think of a combination of Hinrich and Salmons for Ray Allen. And the only reason Bulls fans are willing to do this is because of Cap Space and not because they are bad players. Also they are both good defensively and three point shooter but not quite as clutch as Ray Allen.

Hitman, c'mon, the majority of your fanbase is looking to get out from under Hinrich's contract. He's shooting 38% from the floor. Now I don't believe he's a 38% shooter, but the receiving team who acquires him for 3 more years needs to consider that this is where he may be for the remainder of their time with him.

EDIT: Upon further review, Hinrich's a career 41% shooter, so it doesn't get much better. His only saving grace as a shooter is every other year he'll hit 40% from 3 point land.

darrendaye wrote:

HitMan52 wrote:Also just throwing this out since some people on the Bulls board would do it but what do you think of a combination of Hinrich and Salmons for Ray Allen. And the only reason Bulls fans are willing to do this is because of Cap Space and not because they are bad players. Also they are both good defensively and three point shooter but not quite as clutch as Ray Allen.

Hitman, c'mon, the majority of your fanbase is looking to get out from under Hinrich's contract. He's shooting 38% from the floor. Now I don't believe he's a 38% shooter, but the receiving team who acquires him for 3 more years needs to consider that this is where he may be for the remainder of their time with him.

EDIT: Upon further review, Hinrich's a career 41% shooter, so it doesn't get much better. His only saving grace as a shooter is every other year he'll hit 40% from 3 point land.

I understand im just saying if you are not going to resign Allen and your team doesnt mind paying some luxary tax than its alright. But lets say they do a House Scalenbrine Giddens trade for Hinrich. 2 guys who dont play and 1 who does (House for Hinrich) who has two years left so he doesnt kill future cap that much, you are already paying the lux tax this year, whats another two years? this is a lux tax question now not a acquiring Hinrich one.

Im just saying swapping a combine 9 million for 9 million doesnt hurt the tax and then next year Ray Allen expires which actually drops the tax and if he does resign it wont be for 20 million and I dont think the Cs mind paying the tax as long as they are winning.

But I do agree on waiting and possibly finding a another Ray Allen type trade where all you really gave up was the 5th pick in the draft. Now I dont see a Kevin Garnett type trade coming since you dont have another young Al Jeff to trade for but you never know maybe you find your Pau Gasol somewhere.

thebirdman wrote:We certainly aren`t paying 18 million with luxury tax for Heinrich next season. He has a ridiculous contract...

Does any one know what a play off series is worth to a team? I imagine a championship doesn't earn 9 million over conference finals but how much?

What is the average ticket price of the playoffs?

Let's say $100 per ticket (they don't own the stadium, I think rent is concessions. but not sure).

18,000 people per playoff game would be 1,800,000

So 3 (assume Celtics don't have home court) x 1.8 = 5.4 million dollars per playoff series.

I am probably missing something and it is probably that the players get more money for playoff appearances and that comes from the owners. But like I said I am just guessing at everything here.

thebirdman wrote:We certainly aren`t paying 18 million with luxury tax for Heinrich next season. He has a ridiculous contract...

theman wrote:

thebirdman wrote:We certainly aren`t paying 18 million with luxury tax for Heinrich next season. He has a ridiculous contract...

Does any one know what a play off series is worth to a team? I imagine a championship doesn't earn 9 million over conference finals but how much?

What is the average ticket price of the playoffs?

Let's say $100 per ticket (they don't own the stadium, I think rent is concessions. but not sure).

18,000 people per playoff game would be 1,800,000

So 3 (assume Celtics don't have home court) x 1.8 = 5.4 million dollars per playoff series.

I am probably missing something and it is probably that the players get more money for playoff appearances and that comes from the owners. But like I said I am just guessing at everything here.

It has been explained as 1 million dollars of profit per home playoff game, but the real win revenue wise is in advanced ticket sales for the next season. After winning the title Boston sold out every game the next season without having to discount or package the tickets.