Sheed Revisited

[grantlongforpresident]

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910BOS2.HTM

Guys, compare unit 1 with unit 3. As you can see, the only difference is in unit #1, Perkins is in the game... and in unit #2, Sheed is in the game.

1 Rondo-R.Allen-Pierce-Garnett-Perkins +193
3 Rondo-R.Allen-Pierce-Garnett-Wallace -22

Amazing right? How much worse the team is with Rasheed in the game????

And Sheed being so good at defense?
-check it out... his man scores more points-per-posession (1.06) than anyone else on the team except Scal. And despite playing with the starters a bunch, his individual +/- is a HUGE dropoff
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910BOS1.HTM

Sheed is doing EXACTLY WHAT I SAID he was going to do. BRICK a ton of shots, PLAY lazy, and MAKE EXCUSES to the refs whenever he Fs up on D. Shooting nearly 5 threes a game at 29%. Ugly.

WORSE, he has (IMO i'm going out on a limb) changed the chemistry of the team. not entirely his fault... but he is certainly part of the problem in the way he approaches the game. just my opinion.

This isn't news though. In the begining of the season, i had a couple threads discussing how our bench was weak and Sheed was overrated. AND GOT ABSOLUTELY LAMBASTED. Unfortunately I was right.

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[Tricky Ricky]

It doesnt matter if you were right, hes a member for two more years DEAL WITH IT!

[greenbeans]

Good thing you're here to give us conclusions in early February. What in the world would we do without you?


People, we're the Celtics, we shouldn't be getting carried away so early in the season, he's here to help win a title, not a 1st seed.

[BRUNiNHO91]

He isn't horrible. He has game. He has show flashes of it this year, but he just doesn't have the motivation to bring it every night, and that hurts us. If every player on our team brought IT every night, we would be the best team in basketball. We just don't. We come out flat, walking around, with no heart...at least for some portion of the game. I don't remember a single game where we played 48 minutes of solid basketball, except the 1st one against Cleveland. Another thing that hurts Sheed is playing with Big Baby. I wouldn't mind giving Shelden some minutes when Sheed was in the game. Or giving Shelden minutes when Baby was in. Just don't play both at the same time. Doc needs to learn how to use the players he has, at the right times...he runs the same rotations regardless of the opponent, or the score, or if someone is struggling.
But I must say, Sheed is a big part of our problem. Not trying your best during a basketball game is pathetic IMO.

[Ortho Stice]

If every player on our team brought IT every night, we would be the best team in basketball.

by IT do you mean a prime michael jordan and bill russell?

[mwhis21]

"Sheed has shown flashes of game?" Really. So did Gerald Green, and Kedrick Brown. I think the "flashes" ship has sailed in any Sheed conversation. Guy has been an All Star caliber player the past few years and just isn't bringing it at all.

Take a look at his numbers and it tells you the whole story. He is playing 9 less minutes a game but only averaging 1 less shot a game. He takes almost 10 shots in 20 minutes of action. What a joke. Maybe he will turn it on after the All Star game, but right now this team doesn't have anyone that will do the dirty work like Leon Powe did. Kind of sad, but I'd rather see Scal getting some more minutes.

[Celts17Pride]

So Ray Allen has the best plus/minus, the best winning percentage for the player and is 2nd in Net per 48 mins behind Garnett on the Celtics. Boy is he killing this team!

[Athanacropolis]

"Sheed has shown flashes of game?" Really. So did Gerald Green, and Kedrick Brown. I think the "flashes" ship has sailed in any Sheed conversation. Guy has been an All Star caliber player the past few years and just isn't bringing it at all.

Take a look at his numbers and it tells you the whole story. He is playing 9 less minutes a game but only averaging 1 less shot a game. He takes almost 10 shots in 20 minutes of action. What a joke. Maybe he will turn it on after the All Star game, but right now this team doesn't have anyone that will do the dirty work like Leon Powe did. Kind of sad, but I'd rather see Scal getting some more minutes.

I'm with you, man. Scal, Walker; those guys at least seem like they care out there and show some hustle.

[FeedReed]

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910BOS2.HTM

Guys, compare unit 1 with unit 3. As you can see, the only difference is in unit #1, Perkins is in the game... and in unit #2, Sheed is in the game.

1 Rondo-R.Allen-Pierce-Garnett-Perkins +193
3 Rondo-R.Allen-Pierce-Garnett-Wallace -22

Amazing right? How much worse the team is with Rasheed in the game????

And Sheed being so good at defense?
-check it out... his man scores more points-per-posession (1.06) than anyone else on the team except Scal. And despite playing with the starters a bunch, his individual +/- is a HUGE dropoff
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910BOS1.HTM

Sheed is doing EXACTLY WHAT I SAID he was going to do. BRICK a ton of shots, PLAY lazy, and MAKE EXCUSES to the refs whenever he Fs up on D. Shooting nearly 5 threes a game at 29%. Ugly.

WORSE, he has (IMO i'm going out on a limb) changed the chemistry of the team. not entirely his fault... but he is certainly part of the problem in the way he approaches the game. just my opinion.

This isn't news though. In the begining of the season, i had a couple threads discussing how our bench was weak and Sheed was overrated. AND GOT ABSOLUTELY LAMBASTED. Unfortunately I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=953231

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=961107

yea, i'm with you, i hate sheed with a passion. i think even gerald green was a better help defender.

[grantlongforpresident]

Does anyone know how much longer Sheed has on his contract?

i don't think hoopshype has it right. was it a 2 year or 3 year deal?

[cisco]

Does anyone know how much longer Sheed has on his contract?

i don't think hoopshype has it right. was it a 2 year or 3 year deal?

I believe 2 with a player option. So,that's 3.

[Ben-N1ce]

He's worthless. Trade him to another team if they have hotter cheerleaders they want to give us. It's near impossible to root for that guy. He maybe has 2 good games out of ten. All the other ones he's swipes at the players instead of trying to play D sending them to the line constantly or he doesn't move at all and it's a layup. He constantly chucks 3 and he can't even average 5 rebounds. He's had one game with more than 2 rebounds in the last 7 games If he played 75% on the block I'd give him the benefit of the doubt but that is not the case.

[Perk Is Beast]

y is this guy still on the team??? he is the laziest player ive ever seen. All he does is camp around the 3pnt line all day and hes only shootin 29%. He is a crappy defender and rebounder too. and y the F does doc put sheed in at the end of games??? perkins doesnt even play the 4th quarter usually. WE GOTTA TRADE HIM!!!

[OBisHalJordan]

grantlongforprez....i feel you man, the group think on this website can make it very frustrating to argue any point that goes against the grain or is critical of someone who has been anointed beyond criticism by celtic nation orthodoxy. i used to try to argue unpopular points, now i enjoy this website for the ridiculous things that are said instead of looking for reasoned analysis. oh well....

[SichtingLives]

He's 35. He's INCREDIBLY talented but yes, LAZY. His habits are unbreakable at this point in his career. Cross your fingers and hope beast Sheed shows up for at least half of our playoffs games, UNLESS we can get some fool to take him off our hands.

We don't need once in a while post moves, bricked threes and ole! defense from our backup pf/c. We need rebounding, defense and aggression. We need a poor man's Perkins, basically.

Sheed is trick or treat, simple as that. This year he's been more trick than treat.

[Kefa461]

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910BOS2.HTM

Guys, compare unit 1 with unit 3. As you can see, the only difference is in unit #1, Perkins is in the game... and in unit #2, Sheed is in the game.

1 Rondo-R.Allen-Pierce-Garnett-Perkins +193
3 Rondo-R.Allen-Pierce-Garnett-Wallace -22

Amazing right? How much worse the team is with Rasheed in the game????

And Sheed being so good at defense?
-check it out... his man scores more points-per-posession (1.06) than anyone else on the team except Scal. And despite playing with the starters a bunch, his individual +/- is a HUGE dropoff
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910BOS1.HTM

Sheed is doing EXACTLY WHAT I SAID he was going to do. BRICK a ton of shots, PLAY lazy, and MAKE EXCUSES to the refs whenever he Fs up on D. Shooting nearly 5 threes a game at 29%. Ugly.

WORSE, he has (IMO i'm going out on a limb) changed the chemistry of the team. not entirely his fault... but he is certainly part of the problem in the way he approaches the game. just my opinion.

This isn't news though. In the begining of the season, i had a couple threads discussing how our bench was weak and Sheed was overrated. AND GOT ABSOLUTELY LAMBASTED. Unfortunately I was right.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=953231

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=961107

Even I am beginning to hope that maybe...just maybe....a trade is pulled off. If only for the fact that you would stop with the I hate Sheed Mini-Series Part #99. The Harry Potter Like I told you So after every loss or anything Sheed might have had to do with loss is ever wearing me down. I like you as a poster so I have a hard time not reading your stuff so I'm drawn in and bam....it's another...I hate him and I told you so post. Danny if you're reading this....help us. Sheed if you are....step up and make this man happy. Cause he's wearing me down. 2 more years.

[bstein14]

As a Pistons fan, I can tell you Sheed packed it in last year big time. He showed no heart all season after the Billups trade. He was a major reason we were so bad.

Most Pistons fans were happy to see him go.

That said, he's still immensely talented, and likely will be focused come playoff time... But its hard to say if it'll be too little too late by then.

[Banks2Pierce]

grantlong: there's a difference in 500 minutes between the two numbers you threw out there.

[MyInsatiableOne]

As a Pistons fan, I can tell you Sheed packed it in last year big time. He showed no heart all season after the Billups trade. He was a major reason we were so bad.

Most Pistons fans were happy to see him go.

That said, he's still immensely talented, and likely will be focused come playoff time... But its hard to say if it'll be too little too late by then.

^this is the problem, there's no guarantee we'll be able to just turn it on during the playoffs...especially if we're playing every series on the road

[grantlongforpresident]

grantlong: there's a difference in 500 minutes between the two numbers you threw out there.

Oh, i know. Like most other stats if you want true apples to apples you have to scale the stat by minutes. Since that unit is -22, more minutes would probably equal an even worse +/-