Robinson Cano vs. Dustin Pedroia
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:08 am
Now and for the future... who ya got?
This reminds me of all the Jorge/Varitek debates
oh and the Nomar/Jeter debates
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:46 am
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:49 pm
Or the great Ken Ryan/Sterling Hitchcock filibuster of 1994
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:19 pm
my boy Pedroia.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:29 pm
Basketball Jesus wrote:Or the great Ken Ryan/Sterling Hitchcock filibuster of 1994
Or the great Willie Mcgee Luis Polonia better bench player/pinch runner debate of '95.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:44 pm
This is a tough one. Both guys are future All-Stars for many years to come. For a good season both guys will hit well over .300, and eventually i think both guys will be able to hit 20 home runs. Both guys don't really steal bases, but i like Pedrioa's overall speed better. As for defense, Peds blows Cano out of the water. I think Cano really isn't that great of a defensive second baseman, while Pedrioa has a lot of range, a quick throwing release, and a good arm. Offensivly its a toss up, but Pedrioa gets the edge with his glove
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:06 pm
I think Cano is underrated defensively. Problem is he looks nonchalant because he makes a lot of things look easy but he is one of the best at coming in on a slow groundball and gunning the runner out at first.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:22 pm
34Celtic wrote:I think Cano is underrated defensively. Problem is he looks nonchalant because he makes a lot of things look easy but he is one of the best at coming in on a slow groundball and gunning the runner out at first.
He has had a few stinker games where he has looked really bad, but he is really solid out there. Definitely underrated.Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:35 pm
Back in April, this guy wrote:A lot of Cano
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:12 pm
Robinson Cano, after his great season last year.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:43 pm
I'll wait until the league adjusts to Pedroia before we make this comparision.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:31 pm
here we go with BABIP again.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:32 pm
B.J. Upton. Still.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:30 am
34Celtic wrote:here we go with BABIP again.
BABIP is an awful way to judge a hitter. If you hit the ball on the screws all the time, you are going to have a high BABIP.
Stick to the BABIP with pitchers please.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:40 pm
cmaff051 wrote:
BABIP is an awful way to judge a hitter. If you hit the ball on the screws all the time, you are going to have a high BABIP.
Hunh? No. BABIP is a rather telling stat when it comes to predicting whether a seemingly high batting average in a small sample size is more design than luck/randomness. Case in point: Robbie Cano 2006.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:24 pm
Wouldn't every good hitter have a high BABIP? Or a guy who strikes out a lot have a high BABIP? Like Adam Dunn.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:39 pm
Sham wrote:B.J. Upton. Still.
That's not how you spell Aaron Hill
(I'm still going with Cano for now and future to answer the oringinal question)
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:39 pm
34Celtic wrote:Wouldn't every good hitter have a high BABIP? Or a guy who strikes out a lot have a high BABIP? Like Adam Dunn.
High, as in relation to normal batting average? Yes. League BABIP tends to be around .300 or so, whereas league batting average is somewhat less. But, in context, not every good hitter is going to have a high BABIP, mostly because BABIP is as close to a ranomness stat as can be because it only accounts for balls in play. You'll notice certain trends among great hitters (like the slap-hitting Ichiro or Manny or Jeter) that they have generally higher average BABIP because, you know, they're great hitters and because there's enough of a sample size (i.e. multi-year) that you can make the logical assumption they're good hitters. Plus, and this is where you come in, there's enough visual evidence to point at them being great hitter.
But for guys like Cano that have seemingly great seasons, like his 2006, BABIP can be useful because 1. you know by looking at him that's he's not a once-in-a-generation hitter 2. that the high batting average was due more to a rather "lucky" (again random) collection of hits in-play. It wasn't due to speed, like Ichiro, or exceptional plate discipline like Manny or Bonds, or whomever. He just got a lot of hits in play last season and hits, by and large are more a product of luck than skill.
*For reference, Adam Dunn has a below-average BABIP, mostly because all his value (positive and negative) comes in the form of HRs/walks/strikeouts...things not measured in BABIP.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:26 pm
I dont know about hits being luck over skill. If you hit a ball on the nose, on a line...you will have a better chance of getting a hit than someone who continuously gets jammed and hits weak groundballs or has a dip in their swing and gets a lot of pop ups.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:00 am
Cano is on fire right now. He has more power, but in the end i think the averages will cancel out. Since Pedrioa has better defense and will be on a playoff team, I find him more valueable.