Scott Kazmir or Cole Hamels
Scott Kazmir or Cole Hamels
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Scott Kazmir or Cole Hamels
Two young lefties, both 23 with bright futures. So, who, if you had a pick anchor your pitching staff around, would you choose? Kazmir throws a little bit harder and has that nasty slider, and when he throws it (which isn't often), an average to above average change up. On the flip side, Hamels, while having an inferior fastball, still throws hard for a lefty and has that devestating change up and above average curveball. He also has better command and control than Kazmir at this point in time.
Kazmir undoubtedly plays in the tougher division and in the better hitting league, while Hamels gets to face the pitcher every outing.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kazmisc01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hamelco01.shtml
In case neither one watches either of these pitchers much, these are their 2007 stats. It would seem Kazmir might have a slightly higher upside, but Hamels is considerably more polished at this point in time.
Kazmir undoubtedly plays in the tougher division and in the better hitting league, while Hamels gets to face the pitcher every outing.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kazmisc01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hamelco01.shtml
In case neither one watches either of these pitchers much, these are their 2007 stats. It would seem Kazmir might have a slightly higher upside, but Hamels is considerably more polished at this point in time.
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Hamels is the most overrated SOB in the NL.
Kazmir and it aint close.
Kazmir and it aint close.
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It's close, and I might even lean towards Hamels at this point, but Hamels' lower ERA can be attributed to the fact that he's in the inferior hitters league and Kazmir's in the best hitting division in baseball. Kazmir also throws a little bit harder.
Like I said when the thread was started, both are extremely talented and I think both have Cy Young type upside, but it's really a matter of preference. I think Kazmir has the higher ceiling, while Hamels is more a sure bet to be a great pitcher for a longer period of time.
Like I said when the thread was started, both are extremely talented and I think both have Cy Young type upside, but it's really a matter of preference. I think Kazmir has the higher ceiling, while Hamels is more a sure bet to be a great pitcher for a longer period of time.
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HeyIt'sMe wrote:It's close, and I might even lean towards Hamels at this point, but Hamels' lower ERA can be attributed to the fact that he's in the inferior hitters league and Kazmir's in the best hitting division in baseball. Kazmir also throws a little bit harder.
All that is negated by the fact that Hamels' pitches most of his games at a pitcher's hell. Especially since Hamels is a flyball pitcher.
I choose Hamels.
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cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
All that is negated by the fact that Hamels' pitches most of his games at a pitcher's hell. Especially since Hamels is a flyball pitcher.
I choose Hamels.
He doesn't start all his games at home, and he still gets to face the pitcher, something Kazmir doesn't have the luxury of doing. All in all, though, it's close. If I had to choose one, it'd be Kazmir, but it's extremely close. Hamels' injury history scares me just a little bit.
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