Big Trade supposedly going down

[PELICANSFAN]

Good piece on why this is a good move: http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2010/08/ ... -deal#more

hornets247 as a reputable source? Really? Didn't the blogger jump off the deal end when we traded Aldrich on draft day?

[bballshinobi20]

As a Knicks fan, I can definitely relate to you guys' frustration to an incompetent management. (Thank goodness we got DWalsh now...). There's still no way Hornets can make playoffs in the West, so Chris Paul is as good as gone. Enjoy his talent before he takes it to South Beach guys.

[NO-KG-AI]

I wonder what Knicks fans will do with their free time watching NY miss the playoffs while the Hornets get back in.

[TMIMITW]

Looking at the good and the bad, I think in the long run The Hornets are winners. With Paul, Thorton, Trevor, and West (If you choose to keep him) you have a core for the long hual that can keep the team competitive. I feel that West, Peja, and Okaford are as good as gone. T
he Hornets arent finished, and I can probably put my money on that CP3 okayed this trade before it happen.

[TMIMITW]

And as soon as I said that Julian Wright is gone and Marko Bell.... is in, Chris Paul is GMing right now

[Belinelli4Three]

Belinelli can also play back up point for paul, he is actually a good playmaker and handles the ball good enough the only knock on his passing is he tries risky passes sometimes. Im a Warriors fan and have followed him since he was drafted and some of his best performances is when he played point. Decent spot up shooter, likes to shoot of the dribble more but tends to shoot off balanced contested shots of the dribble.

[Atmanne]

Good piece on why this is a good move: http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2010/08/ ... -deal#more

hornets247 as a reputable source? Really? Didn't the blogger jump off the deal end when we traded Aldrich on draft day?

I didn't say anything about it being from a "reputable source". I don't care about the reputation of a source when it's an opinion piece.

[Ruzious]

What Ariza did last year isn't that relative since he was asked to be a playmaker there. He was a lot more efficient next to Kobe and should be even more efficient next to Paul. And he killed it in the '09 playoffs.

Damn good defender too.

Yeah, I'm an Ariza fan too, and playing with Paul will make his numbers much better, but... I don't see this as a positive trade. If you trade Colly, it's got to be a trade that gives Paul more of a reason to stay, and this doesn't accomplish that. So, it would have made more sense to trade Paul for a lot more and keep Colly. You have no backcourt depth. And you don't have a big enough front court to compete in the West. I just dont see what the GM is trying to accomplish, but maybe this will be followed up with another bigger trade that will shine some light.

[Atmanne]

What Ariza did last year isn't that relative since he was asked to be a playmaker there. He was a lot more efficient next to Kobe and should be even more efficient next to Paul. And he killed it in the '09 playoffs.

Damn good defender too.

Yeah, I'm an Ariza fan too, and playing with Paul will make his numbers much better, but... I don't see this as a positive trade. If you trade Colly, it's got to be a trade that gives Paul more of a reason to stay, and this doesn't accomplish that. So, it would have made more sense to trade Paul for a lot more and keep Colly. You have no backcourt depth. And you don't have a big enough front court to compete in the West. I just dont see what the GM is trying to accomplish, but maybe this will be followed up with another bigger trade that will shine some light.

Yeah, I certainly don't think this will be the only move.

[gold_leader64]

Good piece on why this is a good move: http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2010/08/ ... -deal#more

Totally false from the start:

From the Hornets point of view, it is a move that accomplishes multiple objectives. It upgrades the small forward position instantly, both offensively and defensively. It also sheds the second worst contract the Hornets have on the books, and finally it shows Chris Paul that management is going all in on him as their point guard and leader of the future. Of course Paul can opt out in two years and leave the team with no floor general, but the front office is showing that they aren't going to be held captive by fear and "what-ifs."

They ARE showing they are going to be held captive by the fear that Paul wants out, so they make a short-sighted move in the hopes of appeasing him, and when he does leave, the franchise is screwed. They made a bad move because they are afraid of losing Paul from not making a move prior to training camp.

And also, they wouldn't even have a bad contract in Posey if they didn't overpay him in yet another short-sighted mistake in the first place.

Yes, Ariza is an upgrade at the SF position. But any player would be a defensive upgrade over Peja. But the fact is that he's not a slasher/playmaker that the team needs at the wing. He's another role player who can hit an open 3 and is athletic and can play defense. He doesn't do anything to make this team better because they will still heavily rely upon Paul to create everything. They needed a playmaker (which they had in Collison), and traded him away for a role player.

We witnessed nothing last season that would lead us to believe that he would be a great backup or that he would be good playing with CP3. Just because you have two excellent puzzle pieces, it does not mean that they compliment each other in a way that allows them to both live up to their potential on the court.

Yeah, and ya know who else struggled in the beginning of the season? Steph Curry. Jesus Christ, Collison was a ROOKIE playing arguably the toughest position on the floor for rookies to play. Who knows what would have happened this season. Perhaps we would have seen Collison flourish off the bench. Perhaps having two starting level PG's would have seen them split minutes and often play together on the floor in a small guard lineup like Bibby and Bobby Jackson did in Sactown. But we will never know now.

Moving forward, the Hornets have filled a huge hole while crating a small one and remain flexible moving forward.

Totally short-sighted IMO. This is NOT a good move in the long term. What they did was sacrifice talent for a patch-job. The wing position was obviously in need of upgrades with an aging Posey, useless Peja, and unproven Wright. But that is no excuse to trade a potential ALL STAR player for a role player just for an immediate change to appease Paul. It's not rocket science to know that: 1. Ariza isn't going to make them contenders, and 2. when Paul sees this team not contending, he's gone. If Ariza was the kind of player who accomplished #1, then I could see that decision justifying #2. But it doesn't. All it does is set the team up to fail in the long run because they are desperate to make any kind of moves in the hopes of making the team better in the short term.

And for those who like this deal, just tell me one thing: who else besides Paul is going to CREATE on this team? Nobody. That is why Paul gets injured every year. He's got to play 40 minutes a night to keep them in games. Thornton has shown flashes of creating his own offense, but what about others? Ariza hasn't proven to be able to consistently make plays offensively, although I love his energy and defense. West has a one-track mind, which is scoring. Nobody on this team creates offense to open up opportunities for others.

[TXSun]

trade official now. don't like it, Collision has a very promising career ahead of him. I must admit, IND got the better end of the stick on this one.

[richboy]

New Orleans getting only Ariza for Collison is just a jaw dropper. When Paul was out he was nearly a 20 and 10 pg. They just traded a potential future all-star PG for a 5th option role player. If your NO you have to make Indiana give up Hibbert, Tyler, or a draft pick.

[Atmanne]

And for those who like this deal, just tell me one thing: who else besides Paul is going to CREATE on this team? Nobody. That is why Paul gets injured every year. He's got to play 40 minutes a night to keep them in games. Thornton has shown flashes of creating his own offense, but what about others? Ariza hasn't proven to be able to consistently make plays offensively, although I love his energy and defense. West has a one-track mind, which is scoring. Nobody on this team creates offense to open up opportunities for others.

Which playmaking small forward would you have liked NO to get for Collison? Or would you have rather stood pat with him?

I definitely think Ariza's better than most seem to think at realgm. I thought he played very well next to an elite playmaker.

[gold_leader64]

And for those who like this deal, just tell me one thing: who else besides Paul is going to CREATE on this team? Nobody. That is why Paul gets injured every year. He's got to play 40 minutes a night to keep them in games. Thornton has shown flashes of creating his own offense, but what about others? Ariza hasn't proven to be able to consistently make plays offensively, although I love his energy and defense. West has a one-track mind, which is scoring. Nobody on this team creates offense to open up opportunities for others.

Which playmaking small forward would you have liked NO to get for Collison? Or would you have rather stood pat with him?

The reality is that Paul would only stay with the hornets if they somehow become contenders within 2 years. I think we all understand that that is a pipedream that isn't going to happen. We also know that if that is the goal of the front office, then they are incompetent because Ariza isn't going to make them contenders. So, when Paul leaves, what will the team have? What they had was a potential 20/10 PG (averaged 19/9 as a starter) to help that transition.

Also, Collison could have been played with CP in the backcourt to help share the load. I don't agree that the best decision for the team in the long run is to dump him for a wing upgrade, especially when that "upgrade" is yet another patch-job with a role player.

I definitely think Ariza's better than most seem to think at realgm. I thought he played very well next to an elite playmaker.

Yeah, and that's the point: he's not going to make them contenders. What he will do is improve their wing defense and he will shoot a ton of 3's. But he's not going to make this team so good that Paul will change his mind because the team is contending.

So they gave away a future all star calibre PG for a role player, and when Paul leaves they will have NO franchise player, no point guard, and will probably be looking to move Ariza's deal ala Posey right now. They have done nothing but set themselves up for failure.

[pacers33]

Tell me guys, how's Collison? I heard he's a very quick versatile point guard that has both great court vision and passing ability?

[DRK]

Tell me guys, how's Collison? I heard he's a very quick versatile point guard that has both great court vision and passing ability?

Collison >>>>>>>>>>> Ariza. That tells you the whole story

[Totem]

it looks like his here to cover on the 3/4 spot and increase on rebounds now that bosh is gone [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYYKTxA5V5Y[/youtube]

[gold_leader64]

Tell me guys, how's Collison? I heard he's a very quick versatile point guard that has both great court vision and passing ability?

He can shoot. He can create a mid-range jumper. He can distribute. He is a bit turnover prone, but so are most rookie PG's. That will probably iron itself out with more experience. He's a threat because he can be both a scoring threat and a playmaking threat, and he's not horrible defensively. He's a quick guard and his speed will show if Indy plays more uptempo.

[tugs]

i like Trevor's game, a lot, but you had to give up the better player.

this is stupid. management is to concerned Paul is leaving and this is a desperate move. they should've explored other options and not give up their only insurance, Collison whos possibly is the next franchise player of NO.

[aznkillabeezZz]

Well , ariza isn't a bad player. But losing collisson for him was a bad trade.