Road to a Championship start here, 2022 Draft.

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Where does Nance fit with Williamson? It seems that Williamson replaces Nance's role entirely.

They need Hield so much more than Nance (with Williamson back).

Backup 4/PO small ball 5 until Liddell who was just drafted, can potentially replace him.

And Hayes? Where does he fit?

Williamson is the small-ball five.

I'd love for you to post the depth chart as of today. Unless Val gets injured, I don't see much of a role for Nance with Williamson.

Just my opinion.

NO's can run Zion at C because of his strength but he's 6'6" & a poor defender, weak latterally, where Nance is the small ball 5 perimeter to post defender, semi floor spacer.

Hayes proved himself best suited as a PF roaming, With Nance needed as the teams small ball 5 & Liddell as a potential cheap replacement, Hayes is most likely being shopped if a deal can be found.

Jonas - Nance - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Hayes - Liddell
Herb - Murphy - Naji
BI - Graham - Tempke
CJ - Daniels - Alvarado - Kira

Graham, Hayes, Temple & Kira the most likely trade pieces.

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My trade on the last page for Poeltl & Murray. If Pacers were willing, I'd include them for Mathurin.

Spurs trade - (Poeltl, Murray) for (Graham, Hayes, Temple, Lakers 23, Bucks RTS, Bucks 27, Indy FRP)

Indy trade - (Mathurin, Filler, FRP) for (Murray)

NO's trade - (Graham, Hayes, Temple, Lakers 23, Bucks 24 RTS, Bucks 27 top 4) for (Poeltle, Mathurin, filler).

With Mathurin over Murray, NO's could potentially retain either or both CJ & Jonas.

Jonas - Poeltl - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Liddell
Herb - Murphy - Naji
BI - Mathurin - filler ?
CJ - Daniels - Alvarado - Kira

+ Lakers 24/25 RTS yrs & a big guard who can shoot & play off ball.

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Backup 4/PO small ball 5 until Liddell who was just drafted, can potentially replace him.

And Hayes? Where does he fit?

Williamson is the small-ball five.

I'd love for you to post the depth chart as of today. Unless Val gets injured, I don't see much of a role for Nance with Williamson.

Just my opinion.

NO's can run Zion at C because of his strength but he's 6'6" & a poor defender, weak latterally, where Nance is the small ball 5 perimeter to post defender, semi floor spacer.

Hayes proved himself best suited as a PF roaming, With Nance needed as the teams small ball 5 & Liddell as a potential cheap replacement, Hayes is most likely being shopped if a deal can be found.

Jonas - Nance - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Hayes - Liddell
Herb - Murphy - Naji
BI - Graham - Tempke
CJ - Daniels - Alvarado - Kira

Graham, Hayes, Temple & Kira the most likely trade pieces.

I appreciate this.

In my opinion, with Zion, their best five will be:

PG - McCollum - Daniels
SG - Graham - Alvarado
C - Williamson - Valanciunas
PF - Ingram - (Williamson)/Hayes
SF - Jones - (Ingram)/Murphy

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And Hayes? Where does he fit?

Williamson is the small-ball five.

I'd love for you to post the depth chart as of today. Unless Val gets injured, I don't see much of a role for Nance with Williamson.

Just my opinion.

NO's can run Zion at C because of his strength but he's 6'6" & a poor defender, weak latterally, where Nance is the small ball 5 perimeter to post defender, semi floor spacer.

Hayes proved himself best suited as a PF roaming, With Nance needed as the teams small ball 5 & Liddell as a potential cheap replacement, Hayes is most likely being shopped if a deal can be found.

Jonas - Nance - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Hayes - Liddell
Herb - Murphy - Naji
BI - Graham - Tempke
CJ - Daniels - Alvarado - Kira

Graham, Hayes, Temple & Kira the most likely trade pieces.

I appreciate this.

In my opinion, with Zion, their best five will be:

PG - McCollum - Daniels
SG - Graham - Alvarado
C - Williamson - Valanciunas
PF - Ingram - (Williamson)/Hayes
SF - Jones - (Ingram)/Murphy

You want to run Zion at the 5 to replace Jonas with Graham? where Jonas was far more productive for NO's. Assuming you're factoring the catch & shoot option to compliment Zion. There's a reason NO's traded for CJ & Graham lost his starting spot with Hayes in Zion's place. You're starting lineup is effectively replacing a far more productive option swapping Jonas out in order to replace Nance off the bench... A scenario that reduces both units effectiveness & the teams overall defensive ability & versatility.

No unit with Zion's defense at the 5 combined & complimented with Graham & CJ's perimeter defense will be good defensively. Assuming NO's were to in fact replace Jonas with Zion at the 5. Both Murphy & the rookie Daniels would be better options than Graham.

Ultimately for NO's in your scenario of Jonas to the bench for Graham in order to trade Nance. Hayes would still be moved first. Nance brings more defensive & positional versatility to the table not to mention Hayes impending rookie extension also negatively impacts the teams cap situation with his best positional value, which is PF, being the most stacked position on the team with Zion returning. Unlike Nance, Hayes is not effective & or usefull at the 5.

PF - Zion, Nance, Hayes, Liddell with all of BI, Murphy & Herb being able to spell minutes at the position aswell.

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Spurs trade - (Poeltl) for (#19 Kessler, Kira JR, Vanderbilt)

Minnesota trade - (Vanderbilt, Kessler) fpr (Hayes, pick comp ?)

Pels trade - (Hayes, pick comp ?) for (Poeltl)

Waive Temple

Jonas - Poeltl - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Liddell
Herb - Murphy - Naji
BI - Graham - Naji
CJ - Daniels - Alvarado

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Murray is a good player but Spurs sold high on him. He's not worth Gallo & 3 fiirsts. However if Hawks like the defensive fit with Young I can understand their willingness to overpay. In my trade including 3firsts... Poeltl was coming back along with NO's dumping near 20m in what would be 3rd string contracts for 2 starters.

Now that Murray is gone, what are they asking for Poeltl ?.

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The "insider" poster on another forum claimed preference for Brogdon over Poeltl when asked about potential interest. What does that say about Daniels ? The starting rotation is set, NO's have Alvarado & Kira vying for PG mins, Graham is an unwanted contract they have not moved yet, not even considering minutes for Naji but Brogdon is a bigger target over a relatively young & proven rim protecteding & PNR defensive C, with Jonas 30 on a 2yr contract.

If Daniels were legit, they should be trying to move out 2-3 of those guards to get Daniels more minutes at both guard positions. That interest in Brogdon is letting me know there's doubt. We know the shooting is a work in progress but his defense if as advertised, should translate.

Hell NAW. lol

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Minnesota has quietly put together a strong offseason, Kessler & Anderson are underrated pickups. IMO, Memphis will feel losing both Anderson & Melton.

Durant said he would request trade if Kyrie leaves, Kyrie picked up his option but KD requested trade anyway. Someone is taking a flyer on Kyrie's expiring contract & I think it's LA. If it doesn't work out, they blow it up let James & Kyrie walk for cap space.

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I see NO fans talking about Irvings "red" flags. Flat Earth belief & vaccine decision.

Here's the main factor in everything. KD stood up for him after this past down season & Lebron is willing to play with him again after he left the Cavs to be on his own. If he was & is what people say he is, neither of these 2 players would be willing to play & or stick up for him, bottom line. I could leave it here but I won't.

I've seen some other comments posted from him that were criticized, where he talks of individualism & free thinking. He basically talks about people who dare to be different & lead, apposed to following group think. Which brings me to everyone mentioning his supposed flat Earth belief & vaccinated status. Here's the funny thing .. The group think then, was the Earth was flat & the individual who dared to be different & say it was round, was deamed crazy. It was believed he would sail off the end of the Earth because the sceince then said the Earth was flat.. Does Kyrie think the Earth is actually flat or is he making a point about individualism & free thinking which his other posts indicate he might be ?.

I rather avoid talking politics but I'm going to make an exception. I'm not going to state my personal opinion because when people believe strongly in something they tend to be ignorant to an apposing view. Instead I'm going to ask people who believe in the vaccine science a simple question.

Bill Gates is on record saying the Earth cannot sustain iitself & for it to be able too, the popiulation would have to decrease by 2 3rds. What I want to ask is, why do people think he & his boy Faucci are creating a vaccine to save a populace he's on record wanting gone ?. Ever see commercials that talk of a cure for something but then rattle off 10 different side effects down to possible death ?. If or when the vaccine does eventually kill, it won't be covid related, know that.

Government forced people to take an experimental vaccine they can't be held liable for.

Herd immunity is needed - make sure to stay 6 feet apart to delay herd immunity.

Covid is a respitory virus - make sure & wear a mask where you retain the toxins your lungs needs to expell.

Why is it MF's aren't running up & down the court with a mask on ? lol. It's because you would drop after 2 **** laps. The mask hinders the ability to breathe properly. Great way to fight a repiratory disease don't you think & people think Kyrie is stupid, LMAO. Make sure your dumb **** takes a booster shot every yr, the next one might be more effective against covid.

The same people who say my body, my choice. Jump on & criticize people for not wanting to take a vaccine that alters DNA. You know you brainwashed when your own beliefs are hypocrytical.

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Remember when it was pushed Irving was the reason Harden wanted out...

The Philadelphia 76ers are reportedly interested in trading for Kyrie Irving. And even though he and James Harden weren't allegedly on good terms, The Beard won't oppose a move for him.

https://bolavip.com/en/nba/nba-trade-rumors-james-harden-is-open-to-playing-with-kyrie-irving-again-20220705-0005.html

lol.

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Irving is the epitome of a buy low talent. I say flip CJ's 2yrs & Grahams 3/11 for him with the necessary compensation. Same concept I had when I brought up Derozan to buy low on Kawhi on the Raptors board. The fact he was going to walk scared off the better offers from Boston & LA.

CJ for Irving is conceptually the same & no move is without it's risk.

As CJ is becoming a NO fan favorite. Raptors traded a 8yr fan favorite in Derozan for Kawhi that had it's detractors at first. 2yrs control for expiring value they could not retain. Where it's not a forgone conlusion in this case Irving would not entertain the idea to remain assuming the interest is mutual. Where Kawhi left a Championship team to get back to LA.

Similarily the buy low talent level is considerable from CJ to Irving. Due to Irving wearing out his stay & relationship as Kawhi did with Spurs.

An eliment of that Kawhi trade that rarely gets mentioned, is the spite factor. Spurs trading Kawhi as far from his preference of LA as possible to a team not on his list of preference. Where If Nets want to spite Irving... they'd send him to a small market over gifting him to LA & Lebron. Unlike the Raptors, NO's would have the added benefit of protecting the Lakers owned picks preventing Westbrook from being offloaded for a better talent & fit.

Now let get down to the risk factor, Irving supposed off court personality & antics like sitting games ... Kawhi was out all yr with the Spurs due to a considerable injury, which he's still suffering from today. Raptors sat him games, B2B's & he delivered in the PO's with optimal rest days. Irving not playing regualr season games for whatever reason, is not the end all. That risk would open opportunity for men like Kira & Daneils to get unexpected playing time & development minutes where they will go all out to earn that. Irving doesn't pan out, his 40m expiring gets NO's off CJ's impending extension & Grahams 3/11 commitment, opens the door for Daniels to cheaply walk through.

NO's trade - (CJ, Graham, Bucks 27) for (Kyrie)

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NO's trade - (Kira, Graham, Bucks FRP) for (Cam Johnson)

Jonas - Hayes - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Liddell
Herb - Cam - Temple
BI - Murphy - Naji
CJ - Daniels - Alvarado

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Mathurin's first SL game

23 pts on 56% shooting, 4 boards & a steal in 20mins

I would've been upset at Indiana for taking him but apparently he wasn't high enough on NO's board to matter.

Can't wait to see what Daniels has to offer.

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NO's trade - (CJ, Hayes, Kira, Bucks RTS 24 or 26, Bucks 27 FRP unprotected) for (Irving, Poeltl)

Spurts trade - (Poeltl) for (Hayes, Kira, Bucks RTS 24 or 26)

Nets trade - (Irving) for (CJ, Bucks 27 unprotected)

Jonas - Poeltl - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Liddell
Herb - Murphy - Temple
BI - Graham - Naji
Irving - Daniels - Alvarado

IMO much better fit, price/trade point & future consideration, considering cap implications to CJ, Hayes & Kira's impending extensions. One a max extension on a player wrong side 30 & 2 rookie extensions with NO's having a full roster that's restricting their playing a development time. Irving expires/walks, Daniels cheaply steps in. Poeltl giving a defensive big man option & future proven replacement to an expiring Jonas.

Poeltl - Matkovic - (Nance/Liddell) small ball 5
Zion - Nance - Liddell
Herb - Murphy
BI - Graham ?
Daniels - Alvarado

Roster & cap cleaned up from minute distribution & fit to avoiding the luxury tax implications to the alternative of keeping CJ, Hayes, Kira.

Hayes showed he's most productive at PF but with Zion returning & maxed out, @ 22, he still has alot of potential & will have little time for development, Same applies with Kira having to find time behind Irving, new fan favorite Alvarado & recently drafted Daniels, where Spurs are looking to rebuild & develop in wanting picks. NO's top off the deal for Peoltl with a best of NO's Bucks pick swap 24 or 26, their preference.

Nets get a stable CJ on & off court under control for 2 seasons, possibly extended to 5 & an unprotected pick instead of WB potentially being more of the same headache, expiring & pick for Irving.

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Like many I think Minnesota overpaid for something they wanted, unlike others, I think they overpaid with quamtity more so than quality.

2022 #22 Kessler, 2023, 2025, 2026 swap are all non lotto projected picks with Gobert & Kat under control. While anything can happen, 4 of the 6 picks offered are projected mid to late firsts. There's a reason NO's are a potential trade target owning several picks that are not their own that have projected value.

Minnesota;s 27, 29 picks have the most potential but that far out, it''s far from gauranteed value.

Beasley is a nive player but not the type value you want headlining a package, he's not a core or potential core piece.. You see where I'm going with this breakdown. Minnesota got not "guaranteed" core value, so they got quantity.

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Utah Jazz - (Conley, Brogdonovic) for (Westbrook, Lakers 23, Bucks 24 RTS)

Lakers trade - (Westbrook, 25 RTS, 26 unprotected) for (Irving, Graham)

Spurs trade - (Poeltl) for (Hayes, Kira, NO's 23 protected)

Nets trade - (Irving) for (Brogdon, Conley, Bucks 24 RTS)

NO's trade - (Graham, Hayes, Kira. Lakers 23 RTS, NO's 23, Bucks 24 RTS) for (Poeltl, Lakers 25 RTS, Lakers 26)

- By trading back the 23 rights, both LA & NO's maximize the 23 RTS in trade making it 2 picks instead of a swap. For giving up this right, NO's net a 25 swap in it's place.

- In getting the 25 swap, NO's pick up the 24/25 RTS yrs in 24 & for their overall trouble net a 26 unprotected pick from LA. Where LA does this to not owe a pick beyond 26 with Nets asking for multiple picks for Irving.

- The teams involved in trade have iheavy interest in the 23 draft where by trading LA back those rights, NO's help create the availability of 2 picks in 23 apposed to one for these teams of interest.

- NO's ultimately clear 2 roster spots, dump Graham's 3/11, net a defensive big. potential Jonas replacement & an unprotected 26 pick by giving up a pick & RTS because they manipulated the protections on their Lakers owed picks.

- Cap implications is why with this roster I traded out of 23 & targeted owning picks 24-26 when both Jonas & CJ are potential expirings/potential cheap replacement depth etc..

Jonas - Poeltl
Zion - Nance
Herb - Murphy
BI - Daniels
CJ - Alvarado

+ Lakers 24, Lakers 25 RTS, Lakers 26

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I see some NO's fans saying Herb can carry the ball up & initiate the offense. If he can do that, NO's can trade CJ + for Durant.. CJ extended for 2-3 yrs would take him to 35-36.. He's an allstar level talent but not a young core member. A trade swap of talented vet for an even more talented vet. NO's upgrade all "court" facets with Durant over CJ, who's also not a pure point.

Utah trade - (Mitchell, Clarkson) for (Westbrook, #8 Daniels, NO's 23, Bucks 24 RTS, NO's 25, Bucks 26 RTS, Bucks 27)

Lakers trade - (Westbrook, Lakers 24 RTS, Lakers 26 RTS, Lakers 27) for (Irving, Graham)

Nets trade - (Durant, Irving) for (Mitchell, CJ, Bogdanovic, Lakers 23, worse of Lakers/NO's RTS 24, Lakers 26 RTS)

Spurs trade - (Poeltl) for (Hayes, Kira, 2 2nds)

NO's trade - (CJ, Graham, Hayes, Kira, picks) for (Durant, Poetl, Clarkson, best of 24 Lakers swap)

The trade needs help with the pick alignment for Mutchell & Durant but hhis is the frame work for the concept & tagets. Work with Lakers for them to get Irving not havong to give ip a pick beyond 27 with Nets wamting multiple picks in return for Irving.

NO's give up

- #8 guaranteed young prospect
- Trade back Lakers 23 swap to be made as 2 picks in trade in 23 vs just a swap option. +1 pick in trade
- NO's pick yp LA option in 25 for the best of a LA 24 RTS, Allows NO's to trade a 24 RTS, Keep a pick in 25 trading their 25th..

In restructuring the pick stipulations for LA. NO's/KLakers are able to trade

- #8 Daniels
- Lakers 23
- New Orleans 23
- New Orleans RTS 24
- New Prleans 25
- Lakers 26 RTS
- Bucks 24 RTS
- Bucks 26 RTS
- Bucks 27
- Lakers 27

That's 10 picks between the 2 teams with LA not having to give up a pick beyond 27 where Nets are asking for Multople picks for Kyrie,.. The way I structured the picks given, NO's bascially only lose the 2 shots at lotto in 23 draft to land Durant, Clarkson & Poeltl but with their current roster & cap it would be to a benefit not having to sign another top 10 rookie contract.. Jonas 15m comes off the books in 24 when NO's have the best of a Lakers swap & Poeltl can take over at 8-10m.. saving rougnly 5-7m being able to let Jonas walk for the younger defensive option.

Jonas - Poeltl - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Lidell
Durant - Murphy - Temple
BI - Clarkson- Naji
Herb - Alvarado - Saabron

No pick in 23 as a result but still own best of Lakers 24, Lakers 25, with NO's not owing any pick beyond 25 in trade giving up 7 picks, along with Lakers manufactured 2 + their 27 for 10 picks in trade total.

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And Hayes? Where does he fit?

Williamson is the small-ball five.

I'd love for you to post the depth chart as of today. Unless Val gets injured, I don't see much of a role for Nance with Williamson.

Just my opinion.

NO's can run Zion at C because of his strength but he's 6'6" & a poor defender, weak latterally, where Nance is the small ball 5 perimeter to post defender, semi floor spacer.

Hayes proved himself best suited as a PF roaming, With Nance needed as the teams small ball 5 & Liddell as a potential cheap replacement, Hayes is most likely being shopped if a deal can be found.

Jonas - Nance - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Hayes - Liddell
Herb - Murphy - Naji
BI - Graham - Tempke
CJ - Daniels - Alvarado - Kira

Graham, Hayes, Temple & Kira the most likely trade pieces.

I appreciate this.

In my opinion, with Zion, their best five will be:

PG - McCollum - Daniels
SG - Graham - Alvarado
C - Williamson - Valanciunas
PF - Ingram - (Williamson)/Hayes
SF - Jones - (Ingram)/Murphy

Sorry I missed this post, I got banned on the trade board for BS lol.

Without seeing that lineup in action, I can't & won't argue opinion. With Zion at the 5 it's probably not much of a defensive downgrade from Jonas if at all, He's also a more efficient offensive option where I can see the preference for Graham to space the floor.. but you do lose elements that Jonas brings to the table. It would be near impossible for teams to defend these 2 post options if the spacing is adequate with BI, Herb & CJ. You lose Jonas elite rebounding, screen setting & physicality combined with Zion which would wear down most teams.

Me personally, if you're looking at something like this for spacing, I'd go with Nance over Graham

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Just saw the rumored trade of Ingram, Graham & 3 firsts for Durant.

I hope NO's wouldn't even consider that. It doesn't make any sense for NO's to trade BI alone for an older version of his game more less attach 3 picks. Doesn't matter if Durant is still currently better, he's on his decline while BI is entering his prime. Disscussion ends there.

Replace BI with CJ who's still younger than KD at 30, give them a young piece in Daniels if necessary & possibly another pick to the 3 suggested to take Ingram out the deal. Still mot a fan of giving up a young players & 5 picks for Durant at 34. If I were to build a package, it would have to be around CJ not Zion or Ingram.

Nets can't like the fact Knicks are targeting Mitchell. Utah are rebuilding & want picks.. To keep Ingram & possibly Daniels, surplant BI for Mitchell using a pick package. LA is looking for a way to land Irving without owing picks into 2029, NO's restructure their owed picks to gain added value in trade allowing LA to trade sooner & maximize what they already owe.

NO's trade - (CJ, Gtahasm, Hayes, Kira, 7 picks) for (KD, Poeltl)

Picks
- NO's trade rights to Lakers 23 back in order for both teams to inclide 2 picks in trade, Lakers 23, NO's 23 RTS
- Pick up 24 option so LA don't have to trade beyond 27 with Nets wanting multiple picks, NO's recieve Lakers 25, trade 24
- NO's trade 25 RTS, now having the Lakers 25th
- NO's trade 26
- Bucks 24 RTS
- Bucks 26 RTS
- Bucks 27

CJ, Hayes, Kira, 7 firsts, 1 manufactured LA 23 first for Durant & poeltl

Lakers trade - (Westbrook, Lakers 25, Lakers 26 RTS, Lakers 27) for (Irving, Graham)

Spurs trade - (Poeltl) for (Hayes, Kira, BUcks 24 RTS)

Utah trade - (Mitchell, Bogdanovic) for (Westbrook, LA 23, NO's 23 RTS, NO's 24, NO's 25 RTS, NO's 26, Bucks 26 RTS, Bucks 27)

Nets trade - (Durant, Irving) for (Mitchell, CJ, Bogdanovic, Lakers 26 RTS, Lakers 27)

Jonas - Poeltl - Hermangomez
Zion - Nance - Lidell
Durant - Murphy - Temple
BI - Daniels - Naji
Herb - Alvarado - Seabron

As a result of this roster.

- no picks in 23
- Lakers 24
- Lakers 25
- no picks in 26

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In the above trade, Utah get 8 picks with Westbrooks expiring for Mitchell because there's no young proven talent involved. What I played on here value wise, is their interest in the 23 draft. With the Lakers, NO's 23 picks both going to Jazz, they in combination with Minnesota's pick, will have 4 picks/chances in the 23 draft. If Lakers & or NO;s potentially fail to make the PO's .... Utah maximize their odds in a strong draft. Could possibly use them to trade up.. This was my attempt to keep Daniels but If I were the Jazz, I'd want his inclusion over an additional unkown value pick or 2. NO's would then have a hole at SG.

Spurs who are rebuilding net 2 younger potnetial talents in Hayes, Kira along with a FRP for Poeltl who's a solid defensive big but doesn't fit their new timeline ..

Lakers in helping NO's gain value in trade, end up not owing past 27 with Nets wanting multiple picks for Kyrie, they ultimately get out from under Westbrooks poor fit. Unfortunately for LA their sussess/failure still hinges on health.

NO's replace Nets want for a young star BI by trading a pick package for Mitchell to surplant that proven young value. Added benefit of Nets blocking Knicks from getting Mitchell.

My pick value is probably off.. but thsi is the general concept. Feel as though it's ultimately not worth the risk..