Offers for Jacque Jones
Posted: Sat Apr 7, 2007 10:20 pm
Anything with a pulse.
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treyZz wrote:Anything with a pulse.
moocow007 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
He's that bad huh?
HCYanks wrote:Yeah, you're not gonna get anything but another team's assorted crap back for him... although his decent HR power means you might be able to dupe one of the dumber GMs in the league to give up something of value.
SportsWorld wrote:We could trade a minor leaguer and Jones for Ervin Santana.
SportsWorld wrote:The Angels have shown interest in Jones.
We could trade a minor leaguer and Jones for Ervin Santana.
hippie wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
The Cubs don't have any minor leaguers who are that good. Felix Pie is their best prospect and he's not good enough to land Ervin Santana.
treyZz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Pie > Santana
trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
treyZz wrote:I'm not finding this humor in this? Do you even know who Pie is?
Might want to see what he's doing in AAA this season and while you're at check his birth certificate.
His resume speaks for itself. Every team he's been on has won a championship besides his AAA team last year and that's because all the pitchers for Iowa were busy getting destroyed in the majors on a terrible Cubs team.
Just turned 22 5 tool CF who hasn't even begun to scratch the surface of his potential > Ervin Santana. Sorry. Santana is a solid young pitcher, but he's not a stud by any means.
Felix Pie AAA #s: .463 / 1 hr / 6rbi / 18runs / 1 sb / .549 obp / 1.134 ops
treyZz wrote:You forgot to mention he was coming off a brutal ankle injury that slowed him down the whole first half of last season in AAA.
Look at his second half #s in AAA last year.
If Santana has proven anything in his sub 400 IP; it is that he is one of the most overrated young pitchers and that he can't pitch away from Angels Stadium (or whatever they **** they call it now). Good luck when he is only getting 1 or 2 starts there instead of half of them.trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Look I'm not denying the fact that he's a great prospect, he is, I'd love to have him in the Brewers system. I'm just not convinced he's worth a 24 year old pitcher with good stuff who has proven he can pitch in the big leagues.
Every team he's been on has won a championship besides his AAA team last year and that's because all the pitchers for Iowa were busy getting destroyed in the majors on a terrible Cubs team.
hippie wrote:Whoa, sorry I started this whole thing, then neglected to check back for responses. Pie is a fine prospect but is also a "toolsy" player, not all that different from Corey Patterson when he was coming up.
Santana, I admit, has struggled so far this season, but that's based on a sample that isn't much bigger than the 40 or so at-bats Pie has had. But he is still an established starter and will only get better. He pitched well in his last start, so all that silly talk of demotion will presumably go away.
Really, I was just responding to the laughable suggestion that the Cubs could get Santana for Jacque Jones and "a prospect." Like some kind of throw-in would get it done. The real point was there aren't many prospects who are good enough to make that trade work. Santana is an excellent young pitcher, and he's shown it at the big-league level. He hasn't been a model of consistency (note: Pie won't be, either) but was good enough to win 16 games at age 23.
But I do have to respond to one quote from this thread:Every team he's been on has won a championship besides his AAA team last year and that's because all the pitchers for Iowa were busy getting destroyed in the majors on a terrible Cubs team.
That reminds me of a quote from Shaquille O'Neal, early in his career when he was playing in Orlando. He said "I've won a championship at every level except college and the pros." Well, yeah, Shaq, we're all real impressed that you won a high school championship.