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Bleeding Green wrote:Would you be interested in Julian Tavarez and paying most of Morris' salary?

No they would never do that.

Morris' 7 million dollar contract is an absolute bargain in this free agent marketplace.

edney2polynice_ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



No they would never do that.

Morris' 7 million dollar contract is an absolute bargain in this free agent marketplace.

To bad he's getting paid like this:

07:$9.5M, 08:$9.5M, 09:$9M club option ($1M buyout)
escalators may raise 2009 club option to as much as $11M

Last year he put up a 4.98 ERA in the NL, that means a lot more than what he did in his career. From 2004-2006 he put up a 4.65 ERA in the NL, not so impressive.

edney2polynice_ wrote:He's a former 22 game winner.

Wins are a poor indicator as to how good a pitcher is. John Burkett once won 22 games. John Burkett was not a good pitcher.

His career ERA is 3.77, and take two injury-ridden years, he could easily have a low 3's career ERA. If that is "average" than I'd like alot of average players on my team.

The last season Morris put up an ERA 10% better than the league average (after adjusting for park factors) was 2003. Unless the Giants somehow package whatever time machine Sabean is working on, Morris isn't getting any younger or better. The past three seasons he's put up league-average 4+ ERAs. Those are much more current, and relevent, than seasons 6-7 years ago.

Quality starting pitching is in demand, why else would Gil Meche (Career: 4.60 ERA) get a 55 million dollar contract; Ted Lilly (career: 4.54 ERA) 40 million; I could go on with Miguel Batista, Adam Eaton, etc.., etc.

The irony being that, aside from Lilly, none of the players listed are quality. They're starting pitchers. Starting pitchers are always in demand and always command ludicrous contracts they don't deserve. The market is not any more bullish this year than years past.

Morris would be a great addition to any team, and would net much more than what you mentioned.

Morris would be a good #4-5 starter on a contender needing pitching depth down the stretch. Nothing more. He's not going to be a staff ace for said contenders.

The Mariners will give you Jeff Weaver.

No, seriously, take him.

PhilipNelsonFan wrote:The Mariners will give you Jeff Weaver.

No, seriously, take him.

I'm guessing Mariner fans still hate Bill Bavasi.

Why would we trade him away? he is finally playing well!

powerhitter545 wrote:Why would we trade him away? he is finally playing well!

To get peak value on him before his stats revert back to normal?

Basketball Jesus wrote:What to trust: the 25 innings of Cy Young-quality baseball this season or the previous six hundred innings of league-average innings-munching?

More like 25 innings of Cy Young-quality defense by his team behind him, not Cy Young-quality pitching. Morris has a DIPS ERA of 4.27. His K/9 are the second worst among the pitchers in the top 40 in ERA (ahead of only Ramon Ortiz). Look for Morris to revert to an ERA of around 4.3 or 4.4, about normal for what he's done over the last few years. Pitching as he does in a moderate pitcher's park, he looks to be a stable back-of-the-rotation guy, which has some value but not a whole lot. He's obviously not the 22-win pitcher he was at age 27, which was 6 years ago.

More like 25 innings of Cy Young-quality defense by his team behind him, not Cy Young-quality pitching. Morris has a DIPS ERA of 4.27. His K/9 are the second worst among the pitchers in the top 40 in ERA (ahead of only Ramon Ortiz).

Ah ha, but I have tricked you. Cy Young voters do not care about DIPS or xFIP or STF or any telling statistics. They care about wins, ERA, and swagger. And sometimes strikeouts.

Still, yes to everything you said.

Look for Morris to revert to an ERA of around 4.3 or 4.4, about normal for what he's done over the last few years. Pitching as he does in a moderate pitcher's park, he looks to be a stable back-of-the-rotation guy, which has some value but not a whole lot. He's obviously not the 22-win pitcher he was at age 27, which was 6 years ago.

If Morris can put up a LAIM-quality ERA of 4.3 over 200 innings he

7-3, 2.56 ERA on a considerably cheap contract.

Its going to be a tough sell for some because he's still under contract for next year.

Again, for the love of God, Jeff Weaver and the Mariners will pay some of HIS salary.

Sexton and Morris swap. Seattle gives a slumping bat for a slumping arm. Both have this and next year oon there contracts.

SF has good young pitchers they could bring up and the Mariners will be able to bring up Adam Jones with this move.

Giants say no.