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Best SP prospect combo in the minors?

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:34 am
by The Rondo Show
Who do you think has the best 1-2 starting pitching combo in the minor leagues. I'll be a homer and go with Clay Buchholz and Michael Bowden of the Red Sox system. What these 2 are doing this season is nothing short of amazing.

Buchholz is just raping everyone in the Eastern League and their mother's. Throws a fastball in the low to mid 90's with flawless command, has a plus curveball is the mid-70's to go with a plus changeup in the mid-70's. From what I've heard, his slider is a bit inconsistent but is just sick at times as well.

Season to date:
34 IP
22 H
7 ER
4 BB
46 K's
1.85 ERA
0.76 WHIP
11.5 K/BB
12.18 K/9


As filthy as he has been and those numbers look, what Michael Bowden is currently doing is arguably more impressive.

Bowden is 20 years old and currently dominating a league and park (Lancaster) that is just absurdly tough for pitchers to have ANY success in. I don't know much about his stuff and I haven't seen him pitch yet but I've heard his stuff is very similar to Buchholz.


Season to date:
39 IP
34 H
7 ER
7 BB
41 K's
1.62 ERA
1.05 WHIP
5.86 K/BB
9.46 K/9


Now, those numbers aren't flat out incredible (they are still pretty **** good) but you really need to consider how ridiculous playing in Lancaster is. It is by far the most extreme hitters park in the minors and pretty ridiculous for anyone to be having this kind of success. FWIW, the next lowest ERA among Lancaster starters is almost 5 runs higher at 6.35 for Justin Masterson. Yes, almost 5 full runs higher. They've also got 5 hitters with over 50 AB's that have an OPS over 1.000-- and those hitters aren't even all that good.

Oh yeah, Brandon Webb at Lancaster at age 22:
3.99 ERA
1.34 WHIP
3.59 K/BB
8.76 K/9

HM: Dodgers (Elbert, Kershaw), Indians (Miller, Lofgren), some team I'm probably forgetting.

Make your cases for others.

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:13 pm
by cmaff051
It's Buchholz and Bowden. Elbert and Kershaw are a close second.

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:43 pm
by Basketball Jesus
Yovani Gallardo and Will Inman

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:53 pm
by The Rondo Show
Basketball Jesus wrote:Yovani Gallardo and Will Inman
Gallardo is a flat out stud and arguably the best pitching prospect in the minors now, but how good is Inman? The numbers look sick but is he a guy with ace or #2 potential? I don't know much about him.

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:25 pm
by Chach
Inman is producing numbers that don't match his stuff. He's got flawless command as his best asset but guys with good command regularly destroy the low minors. I'm interested in how well he does in the high minors because I'm not totally sold on him.

Tampa Bay has a nice trifeca with McGee and the two Rice pitchers but there is an injury history there. The Wu-Tang Clan is definately the tops. Killa B's son! mahalo
~Chach~

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:41 pm
by bigboy1234
I think the upside of Kershaw and Elbert is the best combo so I'll take them. Like Chach said from what I've heard Inman doesn't have great stuff and also the Devil Rays probably don't have the best combo but they have a very nice threesome. Chuck Lofgren and Adam Miller are also a pretty combo. With Garza and Slowey as another honorable mention.

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:35 pm
by IrishRainbow
Basketball Jesus wrote:Yovani Gallardo and Will Inman


Being a semi homer...and not really knowing that much about the general state of the other teams SP prospects, I agree

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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:59 am
by trwi7
Gallardo season to date:

42.2 IP
26 H
12 ER
14 BB
55 K's
2.53 ERA
.94 WHIP
3.93 K/BB
11.6 K/9

Inman season to date:

48.2 IP
37 H
7 ER
11 BB
58 K's
1.29 ERA
.99 WHIP
5.27 K/BB
10.73 K/9

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:59 am
by bigboy1234
I'm curious as to whether any of you guys have ever read a scouting report on Inman. He has great command, but doesn't have a great pitch, or really the stuff to do what he's doing against major league hitters. I think thats the most important thing, also scouts think he's pretty much not gonna gain any velocity on his ball and is a very polished pitcher for his age. Which explains him having dominating numbers. Now just looking at the stats he is a lot better prospect than he actual is, hell if we were going by just stats he'd be in my top 30, but thats not the case, prospects are about projection.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:52 pm
by Basketball Jesus
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:27 pm
by bigboy1234
BA likes him? You sure about that? They put him at #91 overall which even I think is low for him. And on the "risk factor" they did for him they said his best case scenerio was Joel Pineiro. Which depending on which Joel Pineiro they meant is decent or bad.

As you were saying he has slapped around A ball, but really he's suppose to, just like Brett Anderson is suppose to, they are both very polished high school pitchers who don't have great upside.

On any other team he'd easily be a #1 pitching prospect. What?! except like half the teams in the game.

Really we're gonna have to wait at least another 3 years to see how he does against major leaguers.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:52 pm
by Basketball Jesus

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:37 pm
by nykgeneralmanager
I'm not a big fan of BA, but that might just be because they hated the Ian Kennedy pick and continue to give Clippard no credit.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:03 pm
by Basketball Jesus
BA does a great deal of legwork scouting prospects

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:49 pm
by nykgeneralmanager
Basketball Jesus wrote:BA does a great deal of legwork scouting prospects