2010 MLB Dynasty League Thread

[CFan21]

Currently in hot pursuit of a third manager. Hope you guys can be patient for another day or two.

[CFan21]

Here's the new and improved group to pick from. I'd like to remind you guys that the waiver wire depth is more than adequate in this league (Cliff Lee was a waiver-wire pickup). I know that the pitching depth on the list is probably stronger than the hitting but that's a reflection on these specific rosters and not the league, so don't feel you have to stretch to fill positions because it's probably shrewder just to pick who you think the best players are. Unfortunately there isn't a list of the FA pool around, but you'll see in the spring when Yahoo baseball opens back up what I'm talking about.

Hitters:

Ian Kinsler
Lance Berkman
Víctor Martínez
Andrew McCutchen
Gordon Beckham
Travis Snider
Aramis Ramirez
Carlos Peña
Derrek Lee
Brian Roberts
Yunel Escobar
Jayson Werth
Nelson Cruz
Michael Bourn
Nate McClouth
JD Drew
Raul Ibanez
Manny Ramirez
Stephen Drew
Todd Helton
Michael Cuddyer
Juan Rivera
Adam LaRoche
Russell Branyan
Jermaine Dye
Miguel Tejada
Álex Ríos
Mike Napoli
David Ortiz
Carlos Guillén
Chipper Jones
Casey Blake
Luis Castillo
Orlando Cabrera
Ryan Theriot
Plácido Polanco
Mike Cameron
Scott Hairston
Milton Bradley
Chris Young
Fred Lewis
Mike Lowell

Pitchers:

Félix Hernández
Cole Hamels
Wandy Rodríguez
Carlos Zambrano
John Danks
Mark Buerhle
Chris Volstad
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Bobby Jenks
J.A. Happ
Javier Vázquez
Mariano Rivera
Andrew Bailey
José Valverde
Jordan Zimmermann
Randy Wolf
Andy Pettitte
Ben Sheets
Edinson Vólquez
Brian Wilson
Justin Masterson
Jeff Niemann
Frank Francisco
Scott Feldman
Zach Duke
Leo Nunez
Junichi Tazawa
Chien-Ming Wang
Jason Frasor
Jarrod Washburn
Brad Ziegler
Randy Wells
Scott Baker
Kyle Lohse
Jorge Campillo
Anthony Reyes

[CFan21]

And the Minor League Pool:

Offense:

Carlos Santana, C, Cleveland Indians
Yonder Alonso, 1B, Cincinnati Reds
Mike Moustakas, SS, Kansas City Royals
Wilmer Flores, SS, New York Mets
Andrew Lambo, OF, Los Angeles Dodgers
Michael Saunders, OF, Seattle Mariners
Matt Sulentic, OF, Oakland Athletics
Beau Mills, 3B, Cleveland Indians
Brent Lillibridge, 2B, Chicago White Sox
Matt Antonelli, 2B, San Diego Padres
Neil Walker, 3B, Pittsburgh Pirates
Nate Gold, 1B, Texas Rangers


Pitching:

Jhoulys Chacin, LHP, Colorado Rockies
Matt Moore, LHP, Tampa Bay Rays
Phillippe Aumont, RHP, Seattle Mariners
Michael Bowden, RHP, Boston Red Sox
Eric Hurley, RHP, Texas Rangers
Thomas Diamond, RHP, Texas Rangers
Bryce Cox, RHP, Boston Red Sox

And yes I think the fairest thing is probably going to be a total re-draft given that it's a three-manager thing now.

[bigboy1234]

Well see the drama isn't really over because I would like a few questions answered before moving on with the league.

You've made baseless claims so far, like me ripping off kaz last year also. Which I explained and even at the time kaz was getting the better part of the deal, but I just had no room for those players. For some reason you didn't respond to that.

This was a trade you made with a new manager last year

I receive: #13, #14 prospect picks
He receives: #17, #40 prospect picks and #2 ROOK/FA pick

So let's see, you get the two best prospect picks, he gets one thats slightly worse then either one of yours, a useless prospect pick and fringe-worthy roster player, or else he would have been on a roster. Yeah, I'm the guy who cheats the new guys. How is the deal I made with CC even near as bad as this one?

Under any other circumstance no way would the deal I made with CC have been vetoed and still you're the only one who thought it was that unfair to be vetoable. Just saying. You either can or can't allow new managers to trade their players, precedent has been set it the past that they can and this trade was in no way under normal circumstances vetoable or else you know someone other then yourself would have said so. So are new managers allowed to make trades before June or not? Can't have it both ways.

[CFan21]

Bigboy I thought we were going to try to move on from drama?

This was before CC had made any league moves and he didn't have any understanding of the league yet (and it turned out was unwilling to make an effort to understand it). There is a big difference between what you did and a new manager making a move once he has his feet underneath him. It was partially to do with you and partially to do with his shortcomings that that happened. It was a unique situation. Arguing it isn't going to change anything. He's gone, the trade is nullified and we are re-drafting so I don't know why you keep harping on it.

For the record, the trade Kaz and I made was Tommy Hanson and Eric Hosmer for Brian Matusz, Shin-Soo Choo and Brett Cecil, which is pretty fair all things considered, and part of the understanding at the time was that he knew there was going to be the leftovers between the second tier guys (Logan Morrison, Hanson, Hosmer, Brett Wallace, Matusz, etc) available at 17.

New managers are definitely allowed to make trades, in fact I encourage it. What I don't encourage is coming in and making a roster-defining trade right away before you even understand what you're doing. Now can we please move on?

[bigboy1234]

I'm not harping on it, I'm trying to understand the rules of the league of why certain trades are allowed and not. So if me and CC would have made like 3 separate small trades it would have been cool it seems.

And it doesn't matter how the trade with you and kaz turned out, thats hindsight. You clearly took advantage of him. You can make the claim of one of those picks being Posey over Hosmer too since they were all in a row. And the Choo things helps my argument as he dropped him like the fringe-roster player he was at the time.

[CFan21]

Well the Choo thing is hindsight too because he probably shouldn't have given up on him after a small swoon because he sure showed he was worthy of that second ROOK/FA pick. It was two good prospects for one good prospect, the second best free agent available and a mid-level prospect. But yeah, I see your point.

The big thing was the magnitude and how quickly it happened. I probably shouldn't have brought up your trade with Kaz because although I think you won big on it, he was a capable manager by then. It was that it was such a huge trade with CC and that it happened 00:01:00 into his tenure instead of two weeks into it or something. At this point I'm not really believing the "I'm trying to understand the rules" thing anymore because I've explained it several times. It was a unique situation and shouldn't shape your ideas of the trade rules.

Maybe this wording will explain it a little better... the trade was with what I deemed as an incapable manager at that point. Everyone here in the league now is capable so feel free to make trades with them and the regular trade rules will apply. But please, for me, let these new guys get their feet wet a little bit first, okay?

[kazanovicz]

I don't think that I was fully taken advantage of by either of you two but in hindsight I would have done things differently. The biggest thing I realized is how important the prospect picks are considering they are a big part of catching talent when they come to the majors.

But to compensate me for the rookie hazing, I suggest bigboy trades me back my picks for a bag of peanuts

[bigboy1234]

What kind of peanuts?

Honestly knowing the waiver wire is a lot more important then prospects. Granted I dominate both, so not sure if it really matters for the other owners. I think Ty was the only person who more then a couple times took a player I wanted on the waiver. So it's really just competing with me and him and deciding waiver wire talent when it's available.

Theses are the players I got off the wire that are on my team:

Pablo Sandoval - One of the top players in a dynasty league
Ben Zobrist - .950 OPS at SS
Shin-Soo Choo - .900+ OPS past 1050 PA
Nolan Reimold - dominated a pitcher friendly INT was extremely hot and cold in Balt
Chris Davis - potential for elite fantasy player
Everth Cabrera - tons of steals out of SS and this was just his first season above A ball
Carlos Gonzalez - Elite dynasty fantasy player
Eric Young - If gets playing time elite fantasy player
Mat Latos - Wouldn't trade him for any pitcher in the prospect draft other then Strasburg, for a dynasty league he should be considered pretty much a top 10 pitcher.
Marc Rzep - Just a pitcher who continues to rack up strikeouts and groundballs

[CFan21]

So uhh... when did you go all delusional and stuff bigboy?

[bigboy1234]

So uhh... when did you go all delusional and stuff bigboy?

What do you mean?

[CFan21]

You've got some high opinions of your own players there.

[bigboy1234]

Not really most of it was facts. I guess there are a couple opinion things like Latos being a top 10 dynasty pitcher, but he dominated the Texas league like crazy which is very hard for a pitcher and pitches in heaven and is just turned 22. Carlos Gonzalez is golden, top 30 position player in dynasty. Eric Young is in the same breath as CarGo if he gets playing time with his elite speed and Coors effect. I would like to see what you disagree with though and more then just saying you disagree with it, but backed up with something.

[CFan21]

Sure thing:

Pablo Sandoval - One of the top players in a dynasty league

Mmmm... bad body and poor discipline. Very few guys can maintain that consistently.

Ben Zobrist - .950 OPS at SS

That's "true" of his career year, but my boy Ryan Ludwick had a higher OPS going into last season and look where he is.

Chris Davis - potential for elite fantasy player

Just probably unlikely he's in Texas long-term right? And then without the ball park his diminished value goes down even more. We haven't really seen anything for more than half a season have we?

Carlos Gonzalez - Elite dynasty fantasy player

Yeah, maybe. I mean he's part of that "next generation" but there are a bunch of young outfielders I'd probably take over him. (A couple are in the dispersal draft folks!)

Eric Young - If gets playing time elite fantasy player

That's just probably not true. If he gets time will it be in Colorado? Is there still much of a "Coors effect". He's been productive in the minors but he moved a little slowly up the ladder to be considered elite, unless by elite you mean he'll maybe be a top 100 player if he gets a chance to start everyday.

Mat Latos - Wouldn't trade him for any pitcher in the prospect draft other then Strasburg, for a dynasty league he should be considered pretty much a top 10 pitcher.

Hah! So you uhh, think he's one those full season pitcher types do you? Because the guy threw a career high 120 IP last season and fwew he must be tired after only 100 IP his first two years in the minors.

Marc Rzep - Just a pitcher who continues to rack up strikeouts and groundballs[/quote]

I don't think you're allowed to say continues until he does it for more than one year. The majors, hell, the Blue Jays are littered with guys who threw a sub-4.00 ERA for a year then blew up and nobody really projected Rzep to do this.

Just sayin....

[bigboy1234]

Mmmm... bad body and poor discipline. Very few guys can maintain that consistently.

Yeah, just like Miguel Cabrera, who he is on the same tier as. Cabrera is a little better now, but Sandoval is younger. And Sandoval is pretty athletic despite his shape and his lack of walks is what makes him an even better fantasy player.

That's "true" of his career year, but my boy Ryan Ludwick had a higher OPS going into last season and look where he is.

Ludwick didn't have a highly publicized overhaul in his swing and isn't a SS.

Just probably unlikely he's in Texas long-term right? And then without the ball park his diminished value goes down even more. We haven't really seen anything for more than half a season have we?

No, his park doesn't effect him that much, it's not like it's Coors. He has some of the best power in baseball and again rarely walks which is good for fantasy. Smoak hasn't shown power yet in the minors and Vlad is only on a year deal.

Yeah, maybe. I mean he's part of that "next generation" but there are a bunch of young outfielders I'd probably take over him. (A couple are in the dispersal draft folks!)

I can think of maybe one in the dispersal draft. And yeah all those other OF are on my team too.

That's just probably not true. If he gets time will it be in Colorado? Is there still much of a "Coors effect". He's been productive in the minors but he moved a little slowly up the ladder to be considered elite, unless by elite you mean he'll maybe be a top 100 player if he gets a chance to start everyday.

No, Colorado is said to love him, they aren't going to trade him. It's all about playing time with him. If he gets to start everyday he's going to be a lot and mean a lot better then just top 100. Doesn't really matter how he moved up the latter, in real life his park isn't taken into consideration and his speed isn't as highly thought of when moving up the ladder.

Hah! So you uhh, think he's one those full season pitcher types do you? Because the guy threw a career high 120 IP last season and fwew he must be tired after only 100 IP his first two years in the minors.

Whoa, a full season type pitcher, no way, I think he'll just play a month then kick it with the homies. What do you mean? Yeah, he's had injuries concerns in the past, but he just played his age 21 season and blew through AA despite having limited minor league experience. This kid is going to be a fantasy stud pitcher considering Petco.

I don't think you're allowed to say continues until he does it for more than one year. The majors, hell, the Blue Jays are littered with guys who threw a sub-4.00 ERA for a year then blew up and nobody really projected Rzep to do this.

You mean like all through the minors and college? Thats all he's ever done. Go show me how many pitchers were 24 or younger with a strikeout an inning and a 50%+ GB%. Looks like he had the 6th lowest ERA among starters 24 and younger with at least 60 IP last year.

[OldNo7]

Why can this not be an AIM conversation, since the rest of the league does not give a single **** about bigboys riff and former trades?

[TyCobb]

Agreed.

[CFan21]

Because I don't talk to bigboy on AIM. And if you don't finish out an argument with him it'll never go away. Really, I'm just trying to be Phil Jackson here.

[TyCobb]

He's the Allen Iverson of our league. A good player, but a pain in the ass.

[bigboy1234]

Why can this not be an AIM conversation, since the rest of the league does not give a single **** about bigboys riff and former trades?

STFU

Agreed

x2

He's the Allen Iverson of our league. A good player, but a pain in the ass.

Let's be real I'm the LeBron of the league. Clearly the best in the league. Plus I like to dance.