2010 MLB Dynasty League Thread

[TyCobb]

Holy **** bigboy. We know you are a trade whore but at least break that down into smaller trades. That's too many players for one trade. I can't even tell which side it's good for.

[Celtics_Champs]

Alright sett, yeah, if you need to ask me questions feel free to pm me. I'd hate to take away oldno7s picks though, so if you want me to take on the guys bigboy choosed, it's perfectly fine with me.

[bigboy1234]

Holy **** bigboy. We know you are a trade whore but at least break that down into smaller trades. That's too many players for one trade. I can't even tell which side it's good for.

Wait, are you trying to say I didn't clearly take advantage of CC? How dare you!

LOL Sett acts like I take advantage of people, when in fact I just like trading my players, ask anyone in the league. I constantly send out proposals. Like I'm sure it's annoying as **** to some people, but oh well.

Wait, let me re-think the first trade I ever had in this league. I think it was like the first day I was in the league with the Commish where the guy tried taking advantage of little ol me. I wonder how that turned out. I wonder where I get it from.

[TyCobb]

Nah, dude. You're active so I don't mind the trading or trade proposals. That was just too much though for one trade.

And Hill is better than Halladay.

[CFan21]

Listen bigboy, I'm trying to handle this without causing a flame war. I explained in the PM the importance of how to handle this situation. I'm trying to defuse the situation and you're acting like a child right now in response. You know it was an unfair trade.

If you want my honest opinion on it, Zobrist and Quentin have obvious uncertainties that keep them from being considered elite. With Zobrist it's the fact that he came out of nowhere in his late 20s to have a career year and with Quentin it's his injuries and like Zobrist, he's only had one productive season. The other four guys you gave up are fringe roster players (with the possible exception of Reimold) that could potentially perform well, but there's a 50-50 chance they're on the waiver wire a month into the season.

In return you received a top 2B in Kinsler that's in a great lineup in a great ballpark that's regarded as more of a sure thing than Zobrist. You received a 23-year-old emerging franchise outfielder and a 21-year-old outfielder that's projected to have an all-star quality bat.

I know that the list of guys you traded is the list of guys you've been shopping around to trade, probably because of the uncertainties surrounding them that I mentioned. Like I said before, I wouldn't be surprised if you value Snider alone more than any of the guys you gave up.

The Hill-Halladay trade looks pretty fair in retrospect and Ty is a long time league member who understood what he was doing so I'm not sure why you keep bringing that trade up. My first trade with you I gave up Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and a pick that I think turned out to be Colby Rasmus for AJ Burnett and everybody considered it a steal for you for years so I don't understand why you're bringing up that either.

The problem here is that you're taking something of significantly greater value from a manager that is completely new to the league during his first actions trying to get his feet under him. If you don't understand what's wrong with that, that's not my problem. I understand it and that's why I had to block the trade. Please stop arguing this. Like I said, it's not going to change anything and if anything it's hurting the league. You did something wrong. I stopped it from happening. Stop throwing a hissy fit.

[bigboy1234]

Wait, Kinsler is considered a top 2B, what does that make Zobrist? He has a better bat at a harder position, it is well documented that he had his swing overhauled and has since been dyno-mite!

Carlos Quentin in 2008 was a top fantasy player, his BABIP was crazy low in 2009 and all he did in the minors was produce. He isn't much of a gamble.

Weeks is a fringe-roster worthy player? Really?

I didn't really plan on getting Snider, but he isn't a lock to do anything in the majors as he has a major hole in his swing and this year isn't even starter quality yet.

I bring up our trade because it could be construed as you trying taking advantage of the new guy. Although it turned out the new guy actually knew a lot about this game of baseball.

I'm not really throwing a hissy fit. So far you are the only one that sees this trade as vetoable. Aren't there like 9 other members of this league?

Let me ask, would you veto an Ichiro and fringe-worthy roster player for Justin Upton deal?

[CFan21]

Bigboy, I'm asking you to please stop this. I've said the decision is final and trying to twist things to make it look better, make me look worse or whatever isn't going to change it. I told you why I'm blocking the trade. I think I was pretty clear. If you'd like to continue discussing this via PM, email, AIM or whatever else, I'd be glad to. I'm trying to be reasonable about this and I would definitely like to have a conversation with you to clear things up. Let this be an official warning that if you can't get control over yourself, you will be disciplined. Take a day to let yourself calm down.

[bigboy1234]

LOL really your going to discipline me? I mean come on. I'm trying have a debate about it and you like to play god about it. Just kind of weird. Why not have a league vote on it? That way I can see that maybe I am wrong if multiple think the way you do.

[TyCobb]

Jesus, Bigboy. We know it's just the internet, but act like a normal internet nerd and just play along with how it runs.

[bigboy1234]

Never!

[sunshinekids99]

I've seen trades in this league before that I thought were lopsided. I see no reason why this deal shouldn't go through either. If CC wants to start with a bad trade, well that's too bad for him. He agreed to the deal. We didn't stop trades before, why should we now?

Atleast hear from the whole league before making what you think is right Sett.

[OldNo7]

I dont think its so unfair that it needs to be vetoed. At worst, it should go to a league vote. Zobrist and Quentin can be fantasy stars, and if CC wants to gamble on that, he should be able to - its his team. He got a couple of other nice pieces too.

The deal esstentially is for Kinsler and McCutchan. The only reason the trade involved Snider was because no one picked him before hand. Snider could have just as easily been Wandy Rodriguez or someone.

If chosen to veto, I think the fairest way is to keep the current draft results, and give the players bigboy picked directly to CC, as CC already indicated he would be fine with. Because as selfish as it may seem, I like the way the draft played out for me. For instance, if it were to restart, he would know the guys I was targetting (ie Beckham) and then change his whole draft to get him, which isnt fair to me.

[CFan21]

No guys, there is no league vote on this. I've used the "commissioner veto". I try to consult with the rest of the league as much as possible, but I am completely sure about this decision and it's final. I don't often do this, but please respect my authority as commissioner. I work hard for this league and hope you guys can see that I'm trying to protect a new manager.

It's not how lopsided this trade is, although I think we all know at this point that it's much harder to acquire young core players versus late-20s roster depth guys. We have a relatively strong waiver wire where you can pick up useful guys to fill out your roster. Celtics_Champs probably isn't aware of that because he hasn't seen the free agent pool and the list of guys he has to pick from gets crappy at the end (because of the old managers' inactivity, not an inability to find better players).

The real reason, the most important reason this trade isn't going through is because it's taking candy from a baby. I didn't want to phrase it that way, but that's exactly what it is. This happened literally within the first couple hours of his league activity. This is Celtics_Champs first move ever. These are his first picks ever. If it was after the draft and he had a better idea of what was going on and a couple league conversations I'd still raise my eyebrows, but there is a difference between that and what happened here. This is the town bully kicking the new kid in the nuts and stealing his lunch money. That's what this is.

I've tried to explain to bigboy that my decision is final and to let it go so we can focus on getting the new guys acclimated, but he thinks if he goes kicking and screaming it might change something. It won't. I know this league and I know its managers. All other managers please trust me that I've got a good handle on this one.

There is no argument on this. There is no league vote. I am handling the situation and planning to have private conversations with Celtics_Champs, bigboy and even OldNo7 to discuss what went on. The new managers are already at a disadvantage because this player pool is a little thinner than the one for last year's new guys and I'm not going to allow someone to step into the league dealing with even more of a disadvantage just because bigboy made a deal that could potentially, maybe be passable. I'm not doing this for any personal gain and I'm not clouded in my judgment, I'm just trying to protect a new manager on his first day from getting taken advantage of.

Like I said before, I have rarely, if ever, done this but I'm asking everybody to please respect the commissioner's authority on this.

[OldNo7]

OK So.....keep the same draft and continue on - as CC suggested and I agreed to? I dont see that as being unfair.

[Celtics_Champs]

OK So.....keep the same draft and continue on - as CC suggested and I agreed to? I dont see that as being unfair.

+1 I just want to get a team set.

Can we continue?

[CFan21]

Nope. I've PMed you. We're having a conversation or exchanging a couple emails before the draft continues.

[sunshinekids99]

Power hungry much? I'm sorry to step on your commissioner veto power. Give me a break.

[OldNo7]

In the meantime, anyone from here feel free to add me to MSN as well, for future trade talks.

[sunshinekids99]

Hey guys just wanted to throw out there that I'm looking for a third baseman.

I'm willing to trade Derrek Lee, Lance Berkman, Jayson Werth, Nelson Cruz, Micheal Cuddyer, or Miguel Tejada to get one. Of course it all depends on the third baseman. PM me some offers or email me at will 0834 @ hotmail.com

[Celtics_Champs]

I'm leaving the league.

Sorry guys, me and the commish couldn't find common ground.

Good luck to you guys.