HKL Season 4 - draft done!

[OldNo7]

STATS UPDATE: CG IS STAYING; SHO REPLACED BY QS

KEEPER UPDATE: STARTING THIS SEASON, WE WILL ADD A 10TH KEEPER, CAN BE OF ANY POSITION

Season 3 Results

Playoff Results
1st – Chach
2nd – bronxbombers
3rd – LarryBonds
4th – CollangeloHatesAlbinos
5th – Hoser_Omega
6th – BBJ

Regular Season Standings (Win %)
1st – Chach .561
2nd – Albinos .555
3rd – bronxbombers .553
4th – LarryBonds .548
5th – Hoser .516
6th – BBJ .497
7th – lmallia .490
8th – MGD .486
9th – Bleeding Green .476
10th – wreckedangular .474
11th – Toronto_raptors50 .459
12th – OldNo7 .389

Rosters (alphabetically)

BronxBombers
C: Russell Martin
1B: Mark Teixeira
2B: Brian Roberts
3B: Gordon Beckham
SS: Derek Jeter
IF: James Loney
LF: Johnny Damon
CF: Nate McClouth
RF: Vladimir Guerrero
OF: Matt Kemp
UTIL: Kyle Blanks
UTIL: Stephen Drew
BN: Milton Bradley
BN: Jermaine Dye
BN: Brandon Wood
SP: Justin Verlander
SP: Adam Wainwright
RP: Mariano Rivera
RP: Ryan Franklin
P: Jake Peavy
P: Leo Nunez
P: Tim Hudson
BN: Kevin Slowey
BN: Ervin Santana
BN: Max Scherzer

estar (formerly Chach)
C: Matt Wieters
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Asdrubal Cabrera
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Troy Tulowitzki
IF: Adam Dunn
LF: Ryan Braun
CF: Grady Sizemore
RF: JD Drew
OF: Hideki Matsui
UTIL: Ivan Rodriguez
UTIL: Rickie Weeks
BN: Jason Heyward
BN: Corey Hart
BN: Alex Gordon
SP: Josh Beckett
SP: Ubaldo Jimenez
RP: Matt Capps
RP: Ryan Madson
P: Zack Greinke
P: Tommy Hanson
P: Ted Lilly
BN: Johnathan Sanchez
BN: Johnny Cueto
BN: Kenshin Kawakami

CollangeloHatesAlbinos
C: Kurt Suzuki
1B: Carlos Pena
2B: Chase Utley
3B: Ryan Zimmerman
SS: Jhonny Peralta
IF: Miguel Tejada
LF: Carlos Quentin
CF: Denard Span
RF: Nick Markakis
OF: Nyger Morgan
UTIL: Jason Kubel
UTIL: Marco Scutaro
BN: Jack Cust
BN: Conor Jackson
SP: Cliff Lee
SP: Josh Johnson
RP: Carlos Marmol
RP: Joakim Soria
P: J.A. Happ
P: Scott Feldman
P: Matt Palmer
BN: Hiroki Kuroda
BN: Joe Blanton
BN: Joel Piniero
BN: Vincente Padilla

gyro (taking over BBJs team)
C: Ryan Doumit
1B: Prince Fielder
2B: Jose Lopez
3B: Alex Rodriguez
SS: JJ Hardy
IF: Kevin Youkilis
LF: Juan Rivera
CF: Josh Hamilton
RF: Justin Upton
OF: Michael Bourn
UTIL: Chone Figgins
UTIL: Drew Stubbs
BN: Nick Swisher
BN: Russell Branyan
BN: Carlos Santana
SP: Felix Hernandez
SP: Matt Cain
RP: Brian Wilsom
RP: Joe Nathan
P: Brian Fuentes
P: Clay Buchholz
P: Daisuke Matsuzaka
BN: Jeff Niemann
BN: Joba Chamberlain
BN: Chris Volstad

Hoser_Omega
C: Joe Mauer
1B: Lance Berkman
2B: Dustin Pedroia
3B: Chipper Jones
SS: Alcides Escobar
IF: Brandon Inge
LF: Raul Ibanez
CF: Carlos Beltran
RF: Jason Werth
OF: Lastings Milledge
UTIL: Adam Lind
UTIL: Rajai Davis
BN: AJ Pierzynski
BN: Brett Wallace
BN: Cameron Maybin
SP: Wandy Rodriguez
SP: Roy Oswalt
RP: Brad Lidge
RP: Billy Wagner
P: Derek Lowe
P: Alfredo Acevas
P: Edwin Jackson
BN: Scott Downs
BN: Brandon League
BN: Kyle Drabek

LarryBonds
C: Victor Martinez
1B: Miguel Cabrera
2B: Howie Kendrick
3B: Mark Reynolds
SS: Hanley Ramirez
IF: Alexei Ramirez
LF: Carlos Lee
CF: Torii Hunter
RF: Brad Hawpe
OF: Magglio Ordonez
UTIL: Matt LaPorta
UTIL: Paul Konerko
BN: Dexter Fowler
BN: Desmond Jennings
BN: Orlando Hudson
SP: A.J. Burnett
SP: Jon Lester
RP: Jose Valverde
RP: David Aardsma
P: Javier Vazquez
P: Rick Porcello
P: Clayton Kershaw
BN: Brett Anderson
BN: Mike Gonzalez
BN: Andy Pettitte

lmallia
C: Chris Ianetta
1B: Billy Butler
2B: Brandon Phillips
3B: David Wright
SS: Jimmy Rollins
IF: Chris Davis
LF: Carl Crawford
CF: Carlos Gonzalez
RF: Nelson Cruz
OF: Alfonso Soriano
UTIL: Adrian Beltre
UTIL: Mike Cameron
BN: Justin Smoak
BN: Michael Taylor
SP: Carlos Zambrano
SP: Dan Haren
RP: Trevor Hoffman
RP: Jonathan Papelbon
P: Rich Harden
P: Kerry Wood
P: Mat Latos
BN: Ben Sheets
BN: Erik Bedard
BN: Brian Matusz
BN: Madison Bumgarner

MGD24
C: Benji Molina
1B: David Ortiz
2B: Robinson Cano
3B: Aramis Ramirez
SS: Jose Reyes
IF: Garrett Jones
LF: Jacoby Ellsbury
CF: Andrew McCutchan
RF: Ichiro Suzuki
OF: Manny Ramirez
UTIL: Julio Borbon
UTIL: Chase Headley
BN: Cody Ross
BN: Chris B. Young
BN: Michael Brantley
SP: Tim Lincecum
SP: David Price
RP: Neftali Feliz
RP: Francisco Cordero
P: Chris Carpenter
P: Brandon Webb
P: Rafael Soriano
BN: Aroldis Chapman
BN: Frank Francisco
BN: Shaun Marcum

OldNo7
C: Mike Napoli
1B: Justin Morneau
2B: Aaron Hill
3B: Kevin Kouzmanoff
SS: Elvis Andrus
IF: Joey Votto
LF: Jason Bay
CF: Adam Jones
RF: Travis Snider
OF: Vernon Wells
UTIL: Nolan Reimold
UTIL: Mark DeRosa
BN: Todd Helton
BN: Austin Jackson
BN: Clint Barmes
SP: Johan Santana
SP: Yovani Gallardo
RP: George Sherril
RP: Andrew Bailey
P: Gavin Floyd
P: Clayton Richard
P: Ricky Romero
BN: Stephen Strasburg
BN: Jeremy Bonderman
BN: Joe Saunders

Toronto_raptors50
C: Miguel Montero
1B: Adrian Gonzalez
2B: Casey McGehee
3B: Ian Stewart
SS: Ben Zobrist
IF: Jorge Cantu
LF: Andre Ethier
CF: Curtis Granderson
RF: Hunter Pence
OF: B.J. Upton
UTIL: Ryan Ludwick
UTIL: Jeff Francouer
BN: Travis Hafner
BN: Wade Davis
BN: Pedro Alvarez
SP: Cole Hamels
SP: Matt Garza
RP: Jonathan Broxton
RP: Heath Bell
P: Jair Jurrjens
P: Chad Qualls
P: Ryan Dempster
BN: Kevin Correia
BN: Mark Buehrle
BN: Randy Wells

type1DIABEETUS (taking over Bleeding Green’s team)
C: Jorge Posada
1B: Ryan Howard
2B: Ian Kinsler
3B: Michael Young
SS: Yunel Escobar
IF: Derrek Lee
LF: Matt Holliday
CF: Shane Victorino
RF: Michael Cuddyer
OF: Colby Rasmus
UTIL: Franklin Gutierrez
UTIL: Placido Polanco
BN: Marlon Byrd
BN: Mark Teahen
BN: Orlando Cabrera
SP: C.C. Sabathia
SP: John Lackey
RP: Francisco Rodriguez
RP: Huston Street
P: Scott Kazmir
P: James Shields
P: John Danks
BN: Jason Frasor
BN: Randy Wolf
BN: Phil Hughes

Wreckedangle
C: Brian McCann
1B: Kendry Morales
2B: Dan Uggla
3B: Pablo Sandoval
SS: Jason Bartlett
IF: Chris Coghlan
LF: Shin-Soo Choo
CF: Alex Rios
RF: Bobby Abreu
OF: Jay Bruce
UTIL: Geovany Soto
UTIL: Maicer Izturis
BN: Martin Prado
BN: Juan Pierre
BN: Elijah Dukes
SP: Roy Halladay
SP: Chad Billingsly
RP: Bobby Jenks
RP: Francisco Liriano
P: Ricky Nolasco
P: Jered Weaver
P: Scott Baker
BN: Brandon Morrow
BN: Octavio Dotel
BN: Homer Bailey

Rules:
Draft Type: Offline starting with 10 hour clock
Draft Lottery Date: Thursday February 11 (10pm)
Draft Time: begins Sunday February 14 (12pm)
Max Teams: 12
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Max Moves: No maximum (until H2H playoffs)
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 2 day
Trade End Date: Yahoo default
Waiver Time: 2 days
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo
Trade Review: League votes (4 votes to veto)
Post Draft Players: Free agents
Roster Changes: Daily
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Roster Positions (25): C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, IF, LF, RF, CF, OF, UTIL, UTIL, SP, RP, P, P, P, 6 BN, 2 DL
No. of Keepers: 4 positional players + 1 rookie, 3 pitchers + 1 rookie, 1 additional player
Stat Categories: batting- BA, H, R, HR, RBI, SB, K, OPS; pitching- W, L, SV, K, CG, QS, WHIP, ERA
MIN weekly IP: 21

Lottery Information:
We will be using the website http://www.random.org/sform.html to generate the draft order. I will get someone who is not in the league to run it for us so there is no bias. Your lottery number will be your registration number.


Offline Draft Rules:
Each manager will have 10 hours to make his/her selection.
If you do not make your pick within your 10 hour time limit, your pick is skipped and the draft will move along to the next manager, and the next and so on. When skipped, you can make your pick at any time when you check back in.
If you feel you will not be able to make your pick when your time is due to come up, please email a contingency list to myself, MGD or another manager who you trust to make the selection for you.
Once you make a pick, it is final. There is no changing your pick. You are not to edit the post that you make your pick in.
You may trade draft picks at any time after the lottery. You may also include players in your offline trades prior to the start of the season without experiencing the pending period you will experience during the season.
Once the draft begins, there will be a player moratorium, wherein you cannot mention ANY players’ name that have not yet been selected.

Add/Drop/Waivers:
There will be a 2 day waiver period for dropped players.

Disabled List:
Each team will be able to assign 2 players to the disabled list at a time. Players eligible will have a red DL beside their position, meaning they are out at least 15 days.

Keeper Info:
At the end of each season, each manager will choose 4 positional players and 3 pitchers which he will keep for the next season. The rest will go into the free agent pool along with all rookies for the next season. You also get to keep one rookie hitter (no more than 2 years in the MLB and no more than 600 Abs) and one rookie pitcher (no more than 2 years in MLB and less than 250IP for a starter, 100IP for a RP). Beginning in 2010, we are adding an additional keeper from any position.
Winner keeps an additional player, and loses 2nd round pick.

The draft order for the next season will NOT be serpentine format
The lottery will be much like an NBA lottery, where the last place team will get the most “balls” and greater odds of getting the first pick, but no guarantee so as to prohibit tanking on purpose. There will be 6 non-playoff teams. Last place gets 30%, 2nd last 25%, 3rd last 20%, 4th last 15%, 5th last 7%, 6th last 3%.
There will be 18 rounds to fill out your roster again.
All drafts will be offline.

ACTIVE MANAGERS ONLY:
The goal of keeper league’s is to make this multiple seasons, so please, only join if you want to be a serious part of this for years to come!
When posting that you want to be a manager in this league, please provide your e-mail address so that when the league is created on Yahoo I can send you an invitation – also for trade purposes.
Inactive managers will be replaced at season’s end with no hesitation.

[OldNo7]

1 OldNo7 - Stephen Strasburg
2 type1 - Michael Young
3 wrecked - Shin-Soo Choo
4 TR50 - Ben Zobrist
5 MGD - Aroldis Chapman
6 lmallia - Brandon Phillips
7 gyro - Kevin Youkilis
8 Hoser - Lance Berkman
9 Larry - Carlos Lee
10 Chach (from bronx) - Adam Dunn
11 Albinos - Josh Johnson
12 Chach - JD Drew

13 OldNo7 - Adam Jones
14 type1 - Shane Victorino
15 wrecked - Jason Bartlett
16 TR50 - Jair Jurrjens
17 MGD - Manny Ramirez
18 lmallia - Billy Butler
19 gyro - Chone Figgins
20 Hoser - Carlos Beltran
21 Larry - Torii Hunter
22 bronx - Jake Peavy
23 Albinos - Carlos Quentin
24 no pick - Chach loses 2nd for winning

25 MGD (from OldNo7) - Aramis Ramirez
26 type1 - Francisco Rodriguez
27 wrecked - Bobby Abreu
28 TR50 - Hunter Pence
29 MGD - Francisco Cordero
30 lmallia - Carlos Gonzalez
31 gyro - Brian Wilson
32 Hoser - Raul Ibanez
33 Larry - Jose Valverde
34 bronx - Nate McClouth
35 Albinos - Denard Span
36 Chach - Ted Lilly

37 OldNo7 - Elvis Andrus
38 type1 - Yunel Escobar
39 wrecked - Jay Bruce
40 TR50 - Heath Bell
41 MGD - Brandon Webb
42 lmallia - Alfonso Soriano
43 gyro - Jose Lopez
44 Hoser - Wandy Rodriguez
45 Larry - Brad Hawpe
46 bronx - Russell Martin
47 Albinos - Jason Kubel
48 Chach - Asdrubal Cabrera

49 Larry (from OldNo7) - Javier Vazquez
50 type1 - Scott Kazmir
51 wrecked - Alex Rios
52 TR50 - Ryan Ludwick
53 MGD - David Ortiz
54 lmallia - Trevor Hoffman
55 gyro - Brian Fuentes
56 Hoser - Chipper Jones
57 Larry - Magglio Ordonez
58 bronx - Vladimir Guerrero
59 Albinos - J.A. Happ
60 Chach - Hideki Matsui

61 OldNo7 - Vernon Wells
62 type1 - Jorge Posada
63 wrecked - Ricky Nolasco
64 TR50 - Ian Stewart
65 MGD - Julio Borbon
66 lmallia - Chris Davis
67 gyro - Michael Bourn
68 Hoser - Derek Lowe
69 Larry - David Aardsma
70 bronx - Johnny Damon
71 Albinos - Jhonny Peralta
72 Chach - Jonathan Sanchez

73 MGD (from OldNo7) - Rafael Soriano
74 type1 - Michael Cuddyer
75 wrecked - Scott Baker
76 TR50 - Miguel Montero
77 MGD - Garrett Jones
78 lmallia - Rich Harden
79 Albinos (from gyro) - Nyger Morgan
80 Hoser - Lastings Milledge
81 Larry - Howie Kendrick
82 bronx - Ryan Franklin
83 Albinos - Scott Feldman
84 Chach - Jason Heyward

85 OldNo7 - Nolan Reimold
86 type1 - James Shields
87 wrecked - Bobby Jenks
88 TR50 - Jorge Cantu
89 MGD - Frank Francisco
90 lmallia - Kerry Wood
91 gyro - Clay Buchholz
92 Hoser - Brad Lidge
93 Larry - Alexei Ramirez
94 bronx - James Loney
95 Albinos - Kurt Suzuki
96 Chach - Johnny Cueto

97 OldNo7 - Kevin Kouzmanoff
98 type1 - Franklin Gutierrez
99 wrecked - Geovany Soto
100 TR50 - Chad Qualls
101 MGD - Chase Headley
102 lmallia - Adrian Beltre
103 gyro - Juan Rivera
104 Hoser - Alcides Escobar
105 Larry - Rick Porcello
106 bronx - Leo Nunez
107 Albinos - Miguel Tejada
108 estar - Matt Capps

109 OldNo7 - Mike Napoli
110 type1 - John Danks
111 wrecked - Francisco Liriano
112 TR50 - Ryan Dempster
113 MGD - Cody Ross
114 lmallia - Ben Sheets
115 gyro - Drew Stubbs
116 Hoser - Rajai Davis
117 Larry - Paul Konerko
118 bronx - Tim Hudson
119 Albinos - Hiroki Kuroda
120 estar - Ivan Rodriguez

121 OldNo7 - Mark DeRosa
122 type1 - Placido Polanco
123 wrecked - Brendan Morrow
124 TR50 - Kevin Correia
125 MGD - Shaun Marcum
126 lmallia - Erik Bedard
127 gyro - Ryan Doumit
128 Hoser - Brandon Inge
129 Larry - Mike Gonzalez
130 bronx - Kyle Blanks
131 Albinos - Marco Scutaro
132 estar - Kenshin Kawakami

133 OldNo7 - Todd Helton
134 type1 - Marlon Byrd
135 wrecked - Maicer Izturis
136 TR50 - Jeff Francouer
137 MGD - Benji Molina
138 lmallia - Brian Matusz
139 gyro - Nick Swisher
140 Hoser - Scott Downs
141 Larry - Dexter Fowler
142 bronx - Stephen Drew
143 Albinos - Joe Blanton
144 estar - Rickie Weeks

145 OldNo7 - Gavin Floyd
146 type1 - Jason Frasor
147 wrecked - Octavio Dotel
148 TR50 - Mark Buehrle
149 MGD - Chris B. Young
150 lmallia - Mike Cameron
151 gyro - JJ Hardy
152 Hoser - AJ Pierzynski
153 Larry - Andy Pettitte
154 bronx - Milton Bradley
155 Albinos - Joel Piniero
156 estar - Corey Hart

157 OldNo7 - Austin Jackson
158 type1 - Mark Teahen
159 wrecked - Martin Prado
160 TR50 - Travis Hafner
161 MGD - Michael Brantley
162 lmallia - Madison Bumgarner
163 gyro - Daisuke Matsuzaka
164 Hoser - Brandon League
165 Larry - Desmond Jennings
166 bronx - Kevin Slowey
167 Albinos - Vincente Padilla
168 estar - Ryan Madson

169 OldNo7 - Clayton Richard
170 type1 - Randy Wolf
171 wrecked - Juan Pierre
172 TR50 - Randy Wells
173 --skip--
174 lmallia - Justin Smoak
175 gyro - Russell Branyan
176 Hoser - Kyle Drabek
177 Larry - Orlando Hudson
178 bronx - Jermaine Dye
179 Albinos - Jack Cust
180 estar - Alex Gordon

181 OldNo7 - Jeremy Bonderman
182 type1 - Orlando Cabrera
183 wrecked - Homer Bailey
184 TR50 - Wade Davis
185 --skip--
186 lmallia - Chris Ianetta
187 gyro - Joba Chamberlain
188 Hoser - Brett Wallace
189 --skip--
190 bronx - Ervin Santana
191 Albinos - Conor Jackson
192 --skip--

193 OldNo7 - Joe Saunders
194 type1 - Phil Hughes
195 wrecked - Elijah Dukes
196 TR50 - Pedro Alvarez
197 --estar--
198 lmallia - Michael Taylor
199 gyro - Carlos Santana
200 Hoser - Cameron Maybin
201 --skip--
202 bronx - Brandon Wood
203 --skip--
204 --skip--

205 --skip--
206 --skip--
207 --skip--
208 --skip--
209 --skip--
210 --skip--
211 gyro - Chris Volstad
212 --skip--
213 --skip--
214 --skip--
215 --skip--
216 --skip--

Filler picks:
OldNo7 - Clint Barmes & George Sherril

[OldNo7]

There was talk last season of replacing the CG and SHO categories for pitchers. We now have to agree on the replacements. The most commonly discussed last year were K/9, BB/9, Quality Starts, K/BB ratio. Pick your 2.

[MGD24]

i think we should maybe leave CG...honestly

and maybe add in Quality Starts

[LarryBonds]

If we're changing, my choices are Quality Starts and K/BB ratio I suppose...

[bronxbombers07]

i hate ratio stats. so hard to predict.
i like CG, and quality starts could be cool, but then your getting into a situation where, if a pitcher wins a game he will be accredited for the - the win, a quality start and ERA. maybe drop the WHIP and add quality start? i dunno, my vote would to leave it as it was, since i do extremely well with it that way.

[OldNo7]

The problem was/is, there are maybe 5 pitchers in the entire league who are capable of a CG, and they still only manage under 10 a season. So its really not a league-wide stat as far as fantasy is concerned when you are dealing with head to head battles each week.

[MGD24]

The problem was/is, there are maybe 5 pitchers in the entire league who are capable of a CG, and they still only manage under 10 a season. So its really not a league-wide stat as far as fantasy is concerned when you are dealing with head to head battles each week.

41 DIFFERENT pitchers pitched at least 1 complete game in the AL last year
45 DIFFERENT pitchers pitched at least 1 complete game in the NL last year.

24 DIFFERENT pitchers pitched at least 1 shutout in the AL last year
25 DIFFERENT pitchers pitched at least 1 shutout in the NL last year

I think CG is a good stat to keep...SHO should go though

[MGD24]

also send me offers...I am looking for a draft pick. Cano or Ramirez are available...I don't want players just picks.

[LarryBonds]

SO keep CG and add QS? The ratios are ok, but only really work as a pair. I don't care what we do. I had like one CG and SO last year and I believe I benched him that day anyways... so yeah.

[gyro]

Looking at the league settings, it says no moves limit until the playoffs, so what's the limit once the playoffs start? 5 moves per week? 10?

Regarding the pitcher stats:
-I like WHIP and think it should stay
-I'd like to get rid of shutouts, and replace it with quality starts. I think there are enough complete games to warrant it remaining. Having said that, if nothing changes with the stats I'm fine with that too, or if we wanted to trim one hitter stat and one pitcher stat, rather than replace them. No matter to me.

OMFG baseball is back. This erection is getting painful.

[Hoser_Omega]

Complete Games are Good. Shutouts are not, Its also not good that this is the 2nd year now that I cant get me some Todd Jones on my team. **** guy retiring.

[MGD24]

Trade Announcement;

OldNo7 receives - Yovani Gallardo

MGD receives - OldNo7's 3rd round, 7th round and 18th round picks in the 2010 draft

[CollangeloHatesAlbinos]

I'm here.

I draft Sammy Sooser and Mike Maguire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AggeSjZwx6s

[CollangeloHatesAlbinos]

Jeff Niemann & Matt Palmer are available for trade. I'm looking for a good hitter in the OF preferably.

**forgot to mention they are both ROOKIE eligible.

[bronxbombers07]

:: Trade Announcement ::

after hours of deliberation and countless pots of coffee

Going to team type1DIABEETUS
SP - Boston RedSox - John Lackey
1B - Chicago Cubs - Derek Lee

Going to team BronxBomer
1B - New York Yankees - Mark Teixeira
RP - FA - BJ Ryan

[type1DIABEETUS]

confirmed

[CollangeloHatesAlbinos]

WOW, the BeeJ...Dan is gay.

[LarryBonds]

:: Trade Announcement ::

after hours of masturbation and countless snowballs

Going to team type1DIABEETUS
SP - Boston RedSox - John Lackey
1B - Chicago Cubs - Derek Lee

Going to team BronxBomer
1B - New York Yankees - Mark Teixeira
RP - FA - BJ Ryan

Sick.

[bronxbombers07]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8ViYIeH04