Chipper For Hanley Would Be One of the Best Moves For Future

Superiorblogman · Post #1 » by **Superiorblogman** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:08 pm

Chipper for Hanley would be one of the best moves for current and future success available. Martin can play 3rd and has. Hanley is a SS and does not want to change. Yes Hanley will have 2 years left after this year but Hanley and Martin together will not cost anymore than Chipper and any decent SS would cost.

I know many will dismiss this including Wren but if winning is really what this organization is about this is a no-brainer. Getting a young MVP candidate for a old former MVP candidate on his last leg would be stealing. It want happen because a lot of things that go on around here are not about baseball alone but putting out some fake image of loyalty or being good people. Chipper will always be loved just like Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz. They all moved on now time to move him on.

Nemesis21 · Post #2 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:40 am

LOCK this garbage ! What are you smoking to think that trade would happen ?

Superiorblogman · Post #3 » by **Superiorblogman** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:03 am

Give me one reason that pertains to something on the field why it would not happen?

Nemesis21 · Post #4 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:08 am

Superiorblogman wrote:Give me one reason that pertains to something on the field why it would not happen?

Marlins GM would laugh at you and hang up.

Superiorblogman · Post #5 » by **Superiorblogman** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:01 am

Nemesis21 wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:Give me one reason that pertains to something on the field why it would not happen?

Marlins GM would laugh at you and hang up.

Oh, okay. I don't doubt that. I am a Braves fan though so certainly my trades will be tilted towards the Braves. I do think there is some hope here because the Marlins open a new stadium with a Hall of Famer and guy that may sell just as many tickets as Hanley.

ohara · Post #6 » by **ohara** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:52 pm

The Marlins let Fredi go after the run in he had with Hanley when he benched him for dogging it in the field. No way the FO asks Fredi to work with Hanley. Wont happen. BUT, if Fredi and Hanley met and agreed the past was behind them and Hanley wants to be a Brave, and Fredi wants him, then heck yes I would love it. Hanley is a quality SS, and his bat in our lineup would be killer.

Post #7 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:04 pm

Beat reporter Mark Bowman answers fans' questions

What do you think about trading Prado and another young prospect for Hanley Ramirez?
-- Alvin J., Maunabo, Puerto Rico

It's easy to say the Braves do not want to add the baggage that Ramirez would carry with him if the Marlins ever get the urge to trade him. But if you attempt to avoid all potential headaches when building a roster, you're ignoring the attempt to create the best possible product.

Ramirez would give the Braves the proven shortstop that they lack and also strengthen the lineup. But along with potential headaches, he also brings a multiyear contract that guarantees him $46.5 million over the next three seasons.

The Braves do not currently have the financial flexibility to assume that contract, and when they do at this time next year, they will be even more confident in the abilities of either Tyler Pastornicky or Andrelton Simmons to handle the shortstop position at a cost of about $500,000.

If the financial aspect was different, it might be wise for the Braves to take a one-year gamble on a tremendous talent like Ramirez. Teams often find success when taking just a one-year risk on a mercurial personality.

But the Braves are not currently in a position where they could even be tempted to roll the dice on Ramirez. They seem content to start the upcoming season with Pastornicky at shortstop and allow Simmons to prove when it will be time for him to bring his tremendous glove to the Majors.

Superiorblogman · Post #8 » by **Superiorblogman** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:08 pm

Yeah, it was just a suggestion. I am not a fan of the team the Braves will put out next year. Too many if's. Your going to be asking too many people to perform at levels they have never performed at before to get to the 95 win estimate thrown out there by the GM.

Post #9 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:55 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:Yeah, it was just a suggestion. I am not a fan of the team the Braves will put out next year. Too many if's. Your going to be asking too many people to perform at levels they have never performed at before to get to the 95 win estimate thrown out there by the GM.

I agree.

Most of my friends and co-workers that following the Braves daily feel the team is going to have to overachieve. Some of them are confused by our positioning at the moment, and since Miami has improved, but the 95 wins confuses them just like me.

bstrassburg · Post #10 » by **bstrassburg** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:42 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:Yeah, it was just a suggestion. I am not a fan of the team the Braves will put out next year. Too many if's. Your going to be asking too many people to perform at levels they have never performed at before to get to the 95 win estimate thrown out there by the GM.

I'll play the devils advocate and take the other side, look how truly awful this team played last year. Really the only everyday player that played up to expectations was Freddie Freeman, the rest of the team was pretty awful and played well below what their career averages are. The Braves don't have to overachieve, if they just play up to career norms, they should be much better on offense. I like that the Braves have a chance to win every five days now that Derek Lowe is gone. If Uggla doesn't look completely awful for the first 3 months, plus 4 months of having Michael Bourn leading off, and our young pitchers all have another year of experience (or a few starts for Teheran and Delgado) under their belt.

The rationale is there. I would like to see this same team go out their next season and see if things improve offensively, I think they will and 95 wins is reasonable unless things go wrong like they did last year.

Superiorblogman · Post #11 » by **Superiorblogman** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:57 am

bstrassburg wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:Yeah, it was just a suggestion. I am not a fan of the team the Braves will put out next year. Too many if's. Your going to be asking too many people to perform at levels they have never performed at before to get to the 95 win estimate thrown out there by the GM.

I'll play the devils advocate and take the other side, look how truly awful this team played last year. Really the only everyday player that played up to expectations was Freddie Freeman, the rest of the team was pretty awful and played well below what their career averages are. The Braves don't have to overachieve, if they just play up to career norms, they should be much better on offense. I like that the Braves have a chance to win every five days now that Derek Lowe is gone. If Uggla doesn't look completely awful for the first 3 months, plus 4 months of having Michael Bourn leading off, and our young pitchers all have another year of experience (or a few starts for Teheran and Delgado) under their belt.

The rationale is there. I would like to see this same team go out their next season and see if things improve offensively, I think they will and 95 wins is reasonable unless things go wrong like they did last year.

Call it what you like but it sounds like you are saying 95 wins if things go right. Still if's.

bstrassburg · Post #12 » by **bstrassburg** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:49 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:Call it what you like but it sounds like you are saying 95 wins if things go right. Still if's.

At least I live in the land of rationale "if's" were as the team plays average baseball they could be successful as opposed to the land of crazy "if's" were you live where the Marlins would trade Hanley Ramirez for Chipper Jones.