Andruw Most Overrated CF of All Time?

Mardy2Curry · Post #1 » by **Mardy2Curry** » Tue May 29, 2007 4:38 pm

Jayson Stark wrote this article and has a book coming out. How do you guys feel about this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2880979&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

34Celtic · Post #2 » by **34Celtic** » Tue May 29, 2007 4:41 pm

Jayson Stark is a d-bag. I'm a Yankees fan, Andruq Jones is a helluva player

Mardy2Curry · Post #3 » by **Mardy2Curry** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:00 pm

I have watched every game this season I have not seen a play that he should have made not be made by him. I guess he needed a superstar for CF to write about and chose Andruw imo.

Is it safe to say that Andruw would be the starting CF for every team in baseball today?

34Celtic · Post #4 » by **34Celtic** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:06 pm

Mardy2Curry wrote:I have watched every game this season I have not seen a play that he should have made not be made by him. I guess he needed a superstar for CF to write about and chose Andruw imo.

Is it safe to say that Andruw would be the starting CF for every team in baseball today?

I guess Seattle would move Ichiro to right.
I don't think hes better than Vernon Wells
Grady Sizemore is good out in Cleveland
I think Torii Hunter is better than him.
Carlos Beltran.

Those are the only 5 that compare with him, and I think only Ichiro, Wells, and Hunter are better right now.

Post #5 » by **lpsevier** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:38 pm

You think Vernon Wells and Torii Hunter are better defensively than Andruw?

Lord Commander · Post #6 » by **Lord Commander** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:45 pm

lpsevier wrote:You think Vernon Wells and Torii Hunter are better defensively than Andruw?

No, not defensively.

Mardy2Curry · Post #7 » by **Mardy2Curry** » Tue May 29, 2007 6:19 pm

Wow Hunter is a hard one to swallow over Jones.

JDZAU · Post #8 » by **JDZAU** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:17 am

What do you guys not get about the stats and the zone rating stuff? The guy checked it out by checking his chances and his pitchers ratios and the scouts are saying the same thing. You guys sitting here saying Andruw is still the greatest defensively are proving the point of how overrated Andruw is.

34Celtic · Post #9 » by **34Celtic** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:40 am

JDZAU wrote:What do you guys not get about the stats and the zone rating stuff? The guy checked it out by checking his chances and his pitchers ratios and the scouts are saying the same thing. You guys sitting here saying Andruw is still the greatest defensively are proving the point of how overrated Andruw is.

I pay zero attention to stats and zone rating...zero. I watch how players break on the crack of the bat, the route they take to the ball, and the speed in which they get their. A diving catch doesn't always mean its a great catch, often times a player makes a bad break and the dive helps them recover. Maybe I'm biased because Wells kills the Yankees but hes a hell of a CF.

Post #10 » by **HMFFL** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:35 am

Jayson Stark has really started the bee's to rumble about this. I don't agree about AJ's fielding, however, I believe AJ's batting is overrated.

Post #11 » by **lpsevier** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:13 pm

To me, the declining part of Andruw's defensive game has been his arm, not his range or jump on the ball.

34Celtic · Post #12 » by **34Celtic** » Wed May 30, 2007 3:51 pm

lpsevier wrote:To me, the declining part of Andruw's defensive game has been his arm, not his range or jump on the ball.

You got it, don't pay any attention to zone rating. It's what analysts like Jayson Stark use because they can't possibly make a valid judgement on all 750 major leaguers without some sort of assistance.

Mardy2Curry · Post #13 » by **Mardy2Curry** » Wed May 30, 2007 7:15 pm

lpsevier wrote:To me, the declining part of Andruw's defensive game has been his arm, not his range or jump on the ball.

I'm not even so sure about his arm, we all know that few guys in the league challenge Andruw with comes with reputation of his arm and how good it was or still is. How he could even try to asses that would be hard.