Hasn't TheOWNED learned his lesson by now?

[Basketball Jesus]

Uh, Drew has better numbers than any of those three.

[GreenerPastures]

Uh, Drew has better numbers than any of those three.

Drew might be ten times better than Hinske, but he's definitely not ten times (and I'm speaking in theory, not with a variable) better than Nixon. Trot, in his prime, was a very solid .300 hitter who hit anywhere between 20 and 30 home runs in a given season and drove in a respectable number of runs. For the love of God, J.D. Drew is NOT Alex Rodriguez or Albert Pujols. If he was, you'd have an argument, but you're wrong. You are all wrong. Wrong. WRONG.

[Basketball Jesus]

Why would you compare Drew v. Nixon in Nixon's prime? Nixon isn't in his prime any more and, if we were considering primes Drew was a much better player.

[GreenerPastures]

These were Nixon's and Drew's best years -- in 2003 and 2004, respectively. Note: Nixon had a stretch of several really good seasons here.

SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

2003 Bos 134 441 81 135 24 6 28 87 65 96 4 2 .306 .396 .578 .974

2004 Atl 145 518 118 158 28 8 31 93 118 116 12 3 .305 .436 .569 1.005

Drew's stats are NOT ten times better than Nixon's here. Better, yes, significantly better, no.

We had more cost-efficient options; Theo goofed. To suggest otherwise is laughable.

[The Rondo Show]

You're comparing Nixon and Drew's prime when Nixon has now sucked for almost 2 full years (started losing it in 2nd half of '05, sucked all of '06, now sucked 1st half of '07). He is done while Drew is still in his prime.

[Basketball Jesus]

We didn't have any other cost-efficient options. Who? Nixon? He's worse this season than Drew. Pena? He rarely looks comfortable in extended at-bats. Hinske? Terrible fielder, not that great at the plate. Any one of the prospects? Sure, but none of the corner outfielders looked MLB-ready at the end of last season.

[GreenerPastures]

You're comparing Nixon and Drew's prime when Nixon has now sucked for almost 2 full years (started losing it in 2nd half of '05, sucked all of '06, now sucked 1st half of '07). He is done while Drew is still in his prime.

haha

[The Rondo Show]

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Did you miss the .900 OPS Drew put up last year? Or are you just going to judge his career on an atrocious May to state he is washed up?

Take a look at Drew's June and 1st few days of July. The guy is on fire and showing plenty of signs to prove he is turning it around and will be the very good hitter he was last year. Nixon continues to suck and has done so for 2 years.

You should stick to basketball.

[GreenerPastures]

We didn't have any other cost-efficient options. Who? Nixon? He's worse this season than Drew. Pena? He rarely looks comfortable in extended at-bats. Hinske? Terrible fielder, not that great at the plate. Any one of the prospects? Sure, but none of the corner outfielders looked MLB-ready at the end of last season.

It didn't have to be within the Red Sox organization. How about Carlos Lee? Look how much money HE is making. Less than Drew:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/p ... atsId=6161

Some other options would have been David Delluci, Frank Cattalanotto, DAVE ROBERTS, all better options when you take into consideration production AND cost (demand).

[Chach]

Alright, let's start from the top...

Gonzo- I love Gonzo as much as anyone, let's not forget his awesome production last season, namely a statline of .255/.299/.397 and who hadn't hit double digits in HRs since 2004. You want to give him $15 million? The guy literally could not get on base 30% of the time. Lugo may have been a bad move but Gozno would not have been a good move either.

Renteria/Cabrera- Renteria had a very fine career before signing with Boston and has had a fanastic two years since leaving Boston. Was Theo really stupid for signing him for Cabrera? Maybe trading him so quickly was a bit too quick of a trigger but there were many who said he couldn't handle the mental aspect in Boston (so I guess that would be reason to trash the signing). However, you're being a prick for saying that Cabrera could have been signed for "chump change". Cabrera signed a 4/$36 million deal with the Angels, that's a million dollars a season less than Renteria signed. And frankly, Cabrera has not been that good outside of this season and that's a result of his .332 batting average. Considering he is 32 and has never hit .300 in a season in his career, I think you can expect that average to go down as well as his other numbers. Cabrera's first season in LA:.257/.309/.365; Renteria's first year in Boston: .276/.335/.385. Those numbers are bad but they are better than Cabrera's and Renteria has been a monster in Atlanta so spare me the Cabrera lovefest.

Lowe: Do you remember Lowe's last two seasons before leaving Boston? 4.47 ERA with a 1.41 WHIP and a 110/71 K/BB rate. I know he's a groundball machine but when you are giving up more than a hit an inning and walking that many guys, you're going to get into trouble. That would explain why he gave up 12 unearned runs that season (as compared to the 8 he gave up last season in LA). Then, his last season in Boston: 5.42 ERA 1.62 WHIP 105/71 K/BB and a whopping 28 unearned runs so his ERA should have been higher. You really want to sign that to the long term deal he got from LA?

Pedro: In case you missed the story Pedro has surgery on his ROTATOR CUFF
Theo offered Petey a three year deal, he got a fourth year from the Mets that Theo did not want to match. And I said it from the day Pedro signed with the Mets, his shoulder would not last the entire contract. I said he would be lights out the first year, he'd fall back a bit with a bum shoulder the second, he'd get injured the third year, and he'd miss the last year of the deal. Seems like I gave Pedro's shoulder too much credit. Pedro was my favorite pitcher of all time and I was sad to see him go (I still wear my Pedro jersey regularly) but I completely understood why Theo let him walk, it was not a smart move financially to guarantee Pedro four years because he wouldn't make it. His reluctance to resign Damon is beginning to have a similar outcome.

You said you have ESPN.com. Might want to check out baseballreference.com to get some splits and older stats. Or maybe some worcestershire sauce for your foot before you put it in your mouth. mahalo
~Chach~

[Chach]

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It didn't have to be within the Red Sox organization. How about Carlos Lee? Look how much money HE is making. Less than Drew:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/p ... atsId=6161

Some other options would have been David Delluci, Frank Cattalanotto, DAVE ROBERTS, all better options when you take into consideration production AND cost (demand).

You also realize that Carlos Lee is 1)32 years old coming off his best season ever 2) has played well in the National League much of his career 3)is getting fatter every year and was never a good fielder and would be a horrible match in RF and 4) HE SIGNED A RICHER CONTRACT THAN DREW. You got ESPN, http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2674398 he signed for 6 years/$100 million. He makes $11 million this year, $12 million next year, and then $18.5 million the last four seasons. So not only did he sign for more years but he makes more than 25 million dollars more than Drew can if he stays here all five years. His average annual salary is $16.66 million, that's higher than Drew's. Plus, if Drew injures his shoulder, like everyone was concerned about before the signing, we are able to opt out of the last two years. If Lee eats his way to Prince Fielder's size, we have no way of getting out from his fat ass. mahalo
~Chach~

[Dirty Water]

To say the slight upgrade of Drew over [insert average bum here] for a price of the 65 million more dollars we have locked up, is once again preposterous. We are on pace for 100 wins with a shortstop who bats .100 points lower than the one we had last year.

Baseball is about pitching, pitching and more pitching. Theres no coincidence as to why we have one of the best pitching staffs in the majors and are the best team in baseball. Our offense is in the top third of the league. Is it the best? Not even close.

It's dumb to me and go out and lock up POSITION PLAYERS who are marginally better for 2-3 times the money. That's the route New York took and look at them now.

[celtsloyalty]

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[celtsloyalty]

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Did you miss the .900 OPS Drew put up last year? Or are you just going to judge his career on an atrocious May to state he is washed up?

Take a look at Drew's June and 1st few days of July. The guy is on fire and showing plenty of signs to prove he is turning it around and will be the very good hitter he was last year. Nixon continues to suck and has done so for 2 years.

You should stick to basketball.

No please have you seen his Gerald green threads? He should just stay away from talking about sports all together.

[GreenerPastures]

To say the slight upgrade of Drew over [insert average bum here] for a price of the 65 million more dollars we have locked up, is once again preposterous. We are on pace for 100 wins with a shortstop who bats .100 points lower than the one we had last year.

Baseball is about pitching, pitching and more pitching. Theres no coincidence as to why we have one of the best pitching staffs in the majors and are the best team in baseball. Our offense is in the top third of the league. Is it the best? Not even close.

It's dumb to me and go out and lock up POSITION PLAYERS who are marginally better for 2-3 times the money. That's the route New York took and look at them now.

Theo has done a remarkable job in building a pitching staff - from starters to relief pitchers - that can play. You're point on with your analysis. That's why it pisses me off to see Theo make the same mistakes over and over overpaying for guys who just aren't worth it. Hence, if you pay big, GET big time players. Many GMs don't follow this philosophy and fail, like Theo has with regard to several of his signings. That's why the MoneyBall philosophy was came up with. COST EFFICIENT SOLUTIONS. I don't care if this is a big market. Actually, just the fact that this is a big market kinda forces Theo to make bold, expensive moves, in a sense, that he wouldn't make otherwise had he been hired as the GM of a team like the Royals or A's. You know what I mean? It's like he has to make these kinds of moves, regardless of whether or not he actually wants to make them, because his reception wouldn't be as good otherwise.

[Basketball Jesus]

Our offense is in the top third of the league. Is it the best? Not even close.

The Sox are fifth in the AL in runs scored and second in team OPS; both rankings are higher than they were in 2006. What exactly are you talking about?

It's dumb to me and go out and lock up POSITION PLAYERS who are marginally better for 2-3 times the money. That's the route New York took and look at them now.

Aside from Lugo, who is marginally better than their predecessor? Drew

[HeelSox]

You think you would learn about making posts after your great Pedroia thread.