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Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:07 pm
by The Sheik
The Cubs and free agent pitcher Ryan Dempster have reached agreement on a multi-year contract, which is expected to be signed Tuesday, according to multiple sources.

It's expected to be a four-year deal worth at least $52 million.

http://baseball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... $52m_deal/

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:42 pm
by hermes
is this good or bad as it relates to getting Peavy

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:46 pm
by GYBE
That's about what I expected it to be.

He probably won't be healthy or great for the whole contract, but I like Dempster.

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:48 pm
by ChronicKerr
If this causes us to lose out on Peavy I'll be quite upset.. on the other hand if we can end up wtih both these guys our rotation next year should be #1 in the majors

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:22 pm
by Posey H8er
Very good news, you do not want to lose Dempster and have all your hopes for a starter in acquiring Peavy.

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:33 pm
by The Sheik
ChronicKerr wrote:If this causes us to lose out on Peavy I'll be quite upset.. on the other hand if we can end up wtih both these guys our rotation next year should be #1 in the majors


Honestly I dont see how we can acquire him. Lets say Vitters and Shark are off limits. Who can we offer?

Pie, Marshall, Veal, Riot, Colvin, Castillo is the best I can think of. Then again Im not savvy with our pitching prospects. that cant get you peavy...can it?

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:18 pm
by Ruben Douglas
Well, reports yesterday said that the Cubs were the only team in negotiations with the Padres but a third or fourth team needs to get into the mix. What does that mean? I have no idea. And as much as I feel this Dempster signing will be terrible one year from now, it's something that almost needed to be done. Find a sucker for Marquis and bring in Peavy if possible and I'll be a happy man.

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:51 pm
by Posey H8er
Dempster to Appear on CTL Today at 5:30

http://csnchicago.com/pages/landing/?De ... feedID=661

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:38 pm
by karch34
It's not a terrible contract and he is a great clubhouse guy, so it's a good signing.

I think in some ways it helps with Peavy in that we didn't give a bigger contract to Dempster so we could still "afford" Peavy.

That said, while I'd love Peavy he seems a little more of a luxury item when we have Z, Dempster, Lilly, and Harden already. While Marquis sucks, there are worse #5s out there and we also have Marshall and Hill (if he gets his head on straight) among others. While Peavy makes it a lights out rotation, right now it's still good enough to get us back to the playoffs, IMO. With our needs for a LH bat and leadoff hitter being so glaring, I'm hoping we don't spend so much on Peavy that we don't fill other areas of need.

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:44 pm
by GYBE
Surprisingly, BP was actually thought it was a good move. I was prepared to get skewered again like after the Ceda deal.

Cost: Technically, it isn't a straight $52 million over four years, it's three years for $34 million and a 2012 player option for $14 million. To pick a few unfair comparisons, that's not Zito money ($18.5 million in each of the next three years, plus another $19 million for 2012, and then those other two years), nor is it even Suppan money ($25 million for the next two years, plus either another $12.75 million for 2011 or a $2 million buyout). It's a lot more than Lohse money ($41 million over the next four years), but that's Kyle Lohse after the best year of his career (5.4 SNLVAR, a 44th-best SNLVA Rate of .566) as opposed to Dempster after the best year of his (6.8 SNLVAR, and MLB's 11th-best SNLVA Rate of .611). More precisely, it's Meche money ($35 million over the next three years), and Meche seemed to have a whole lot less going for him after the 2006 season than Dempster has going for him now.

So in terms of the expense, it's reasonable in light of the market, and it's a whole lot less than what Derek Lowe's going to command starting next year in his age-36 season, let alone what CC Sabathia's going to run you. If there's a relative financial risk that might have been worth running instead, it would have been trading for Jake Peavy, because Peavy's going to run his employers $60 million over the next four seasons if his 2013 option isn't picked up, and $78 million over five if it is. That's close enough to make you say hmmm, but where Dempster only cost you money, Peavy would cost you money and the talent to acquire him from his employers. Felix Pie, for starters, and who knows what else, and while you've got ready-now fourth starter types to spare, the Padres need prospects, not Chad Gaudin, and the Cubs don't have many prospects. So even there, the math's understandable, especially once you move on to...

Risk: Let's give the man his due, he's now several years removed from a surgery-affected season, and the damage that Jim Leyland visited upon him almost a decade ago. This year's funky new glove wiggle aside, Dempster's motion doesn't seem unusually risky, and if anything, it appears he was throwing more fastballs working in the rotation than he had been as a reliever. As opposed to betting on an especially unusual body type (Sabathia) or value from a guy up to and perhaps beyond his 40th birthday (Lowe), you're banking on a player who's been relatively healthy the last several years staying so in his early to mid-30s. That doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

Re: Welcome back Dumpster

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:36 pm
by DanTown8587
I can't hate the deal, but I am not a fan of the 4 year deal to a guy coming off a career year. Would still love to get a left handed hitter and Peavy, but I don't see Peavy as possible.

And PLEASE we can bring back Woody on a one-year deal? He WANTS TO STAY.